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#6202520 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: nsaqam]
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Go back and read the first posts after dogcatcher chimes in... Suddenly CCCC (the C word to the fourth power?) has it all figured out, thanking him for providing nothing of value and no answer to actually fixing the problem...

Makes the subsequent whine funnier... but raises the obvious question of orchestration...
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#6202531 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Sitka deer]
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DC223 is a friend of mine on here and we simply have different views on the RWT.

CCCC do put out an epic whine and it was indeed funny.
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#6202710 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: JBelk]
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Mr Belk
Out of morbid couriosity, how much of your income, comes from being the "expert" witness in lawsuits against the various gun manufacturers? For some reason 50% comes to my mind.

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#6202720 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: KEVIN_JAY]
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Originally Posted By: KEVIN_JAY
Mr Belk
Out of morbid couriosity, how much of your income, comes from being the "expert" witness in lawsuits against the various gun manufacturers? For some reason 50% comes to my mind.


Good question.
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#6203034 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: nsaqam]
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Summation of the wiseguy posts:

1. Being a "Groupie" for whomever is great, unless someone points it out - then it is to be denied.

2. Unless a guy fully agrees and does as the Groupies declare (sinful to not worship the RWT), they are compelled to group henpeck - seems innate.

3. "Know it all" crude speech and name-calling are great and gentlemanly - efforts toward intelligent discourse and polite speech are "whiney".

Interesting universe, there. Although too time-consuming, it was interesting riding along and watching some of you expose yourselves. Thanks, though - did get the info we needed.
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#6203099 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
nsaqam Offline
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Yep, you exposed yourself to be the small little whiny man you are.

Asked a question, didn't like the answer, whines.

Hey, I'm not the only one to notice.

Have a great day Sir.
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#6203106 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
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Originally Posted By: CCCC
One poster suggested that I look at the Remington video and "investigate" for myself - so, I did, again - and still it is propaganda. Have never seen any of the "stuff put out by the other side" as you put it - and that may be propaganda as well. Don't sense any pathos.

You say "the other side" - I don't see or have a "side" here. The rifle malfunctions, dangerously. It is NOT mine. The fellow wants Rem to fix it - have tried to assist him.

Even without guidance from the experts here, I very well understand that trigger setup and, if it were mine, I very well might do something other than send it to Rem.

As are many on this site, no doubt Mr. Steelhead is a a vastly experienced hunter and rifleman, and apparently an OK guy. Apparently, he also works on triggers.

Rather than claiming any knowledge or expertise, rather than using insulting rhetoric, and by simply asking for assistance with this thread, one seems to have invited some mind-readers and odd compensating behavior onto the screen.

All well and good. I have hope. On another occasion, one of these knowledgeable persons probably will help me learn something new and good. And, I will be grateful.
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This is what happens when a bitch don't swallow.
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#6203117 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
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CCCC
Cu*t, Cu(t, Cu^t, Cu&t.

I've got a crisp $50 says that not only did he vote for Obama, but he also wears velcro sneakers. No one could be such an idiot on purpose.
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#6203146 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: utah708]
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Originally Posted By: utah708
CCCC

Your buddy is right to not load the gun until the problem is fixed.

He has three options:
gunsmith clean/inspect/adjust
send to Remington
replace with aftermarket.

Of these three, sending it to Remington will probably be the least satisfactory-slow, expensive, and the trigger you get back will have its own issues.

I think replacing it will probably be the choice your buddy makes. People who have a bad trigger have a hard time trusting it going forward, even if logic says it is now fine. He can sell the trigger for $40, and recoup some of the cost of the replacement.

I do agree with the smiths that a proper adjustment and cleaning will probably solve the physical problem, but can do little for the trust issue.
What he said..
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#6203189 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Steelhead]
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Originally Posted By: Steelhead
CCCC
Cu*t, Cu(t, Cu^t, Cu&t.

I've got a crisp $50 says that not only did he vote for Obama, but he also wears velcro sneakers. No one could be such an idiot on purpose.


I won't take that bet.

He do do an epic whine (which isn't really whining it is intelligent discourse)
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#6203206 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: nsaqam]
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I'm thinking he should hold said rifle to his head to verify the trigger has been adjusted correctly. I'm sure his kids and wife would appreciate it.
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#6203277 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Steelhead]
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Quote:
Steelhead: This is what happens when a bitch don't swallow.

CCCC Cu*t, Cu(t, Cu^t, Cu&t.
I've got a crisp $50 says that not only did he vote for Obama, but he also wears velcro sneakers. No one could be such an idiot on purpose.

I'm thinking he should hold said rifle to his head to verify the trigger has been adjusted correctly. I'm sure his kids and wife would appreciate it.


Intelligent Groupie Discourse. Wrong on all counts. Send your $50 to the Campfire's Deserving Veteran Project #2.
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#6203278 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Steelhead]
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Wonder why it took the rifle going off 5 times befor he decided he had a problem?

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#6203302 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
nsaqam Offline
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Originally Posted By: CCCC
Quote:
Steelhead: This is what happens when a bitch don't swallow.

CCCC Cu*t, Cu(t, Cu^t, Cu&t.
I've got a crisp $50 says that not only did he vote for Obama, but he also wears velcro sneakers. No one could be such an idiot on purpose.I'm thinking he should hold said rifle to his head to verify the trigger has been adjusted correctly. I'm sure his kids and wife would appreciate it.


Intelligent Groupie Discourse. Wrong on all counts. Send your $50 to the Campfire's Deserving Veteran Project #2.


So you're purposefully being an idiot then?

I'm thinking Steelhead was right on all counts but he gave you too much credit.
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#6203310 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
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Originally Posted By: CCCC
Quote:
Steelhead: This is what happens when a bitch don't swallow.

CCCC Cu*t, Cu(t, Cu^t, Cu&t.
I've got a crisp $50 says that not only did he vote for Obama, but he also wears velcro sneakers. No one could be such an idiot on purpose.

I'm thinking he should hold said rifle to his head to verify the trigger has been adjusted correctly. I'm sure his kids and wife would appreciate it.


Intelligent Groupie Discourse. Wrong on all counts. Send your $50 to the Campfire's Deserving Veteran Project #2.



Not according to the text your wife just sent....
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#6203538 - 02/21/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: gnnrsig40]
Sitka deer Offline
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Originally Posted By: gnnrsig40
Wonder why it took the rifle going off 5 times befor he decided he had a problem?


Well, he does run with the likes of C squared...
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#6203712 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Sitka deer]
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I believe CCCC's just a plaintiff attorney looking for more plaintiffs or expert witnesses. I'm in the "they don't go off by themselves unless somebody Has their finger on the trigger or monkeys with the trigger or never cleans it" camp. I've had way too many fully-functional Rem 700's to believe the folks that stand to get more money from a lawsuit if we believe them. And if they were following the golden rule at all times, nobody gets shot even if the gun does pull its own trigger. I know......I know.......what about the guy 5 miles away that gets hit by a falling bullet? I guess if that happens, he's either the unluckiest MF'er in the world or it was just his time. You pick which one makes you feel warmer.
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#6203873 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: 257heaven]
nsaqam Offline
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I've been thinking he's a lawyer too.

Now quit being a groupie! grin
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#6203890 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: MColeman]
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Originally Posted By: MColeman
Don't throw them in the lake, send them to me. I've adjusted scads of them down to 2-3 pounds with little effort. If your rifle fires when you bump the stock I'll wager somebody has tried to adjust the trigger that didn't know what they were doing and have too little sear engagement.


exactly....There is no problem with Remington triggers.
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#6206185 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: Swampman1]
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From the Campfire Remington video thread:

Originally Posted By: Seafire
I have a Model 700 Long Action that is one of those culprits that has gone off on its own... mine has done it 3 times since I bought it in 1980...Its an ADL.. the last time it did that, a friend was unloading it and it shot a brand new Chevy pickups custom bed and paint job... Since then, I rebarreled it and have used it as a single shot, and pretty much for range duty and a small amount of varmint shooting...I also had the chance to buy a trigger than someone took out to replace with a Timney.. and it hasn't done it since.. however I have never been on the door step whining to Remington...but it has motivated me to buy Savage, Winchester or Ruger over Remingtons... but on a rifle that has done that, I think it is the responsibility of the owner to send it back to Remington, or repair the problem on their own...the first time mine went off, it was over my shoulder and the barrel pointed at the ground and the bullet hit about an inch behind my heel...that shook me up...so I returned it to Remington and they said it was in specs and nothing was wrong... but because of that problem of those 3 times, I admit, I have no intention of selling it and sticking someone else with the problem...


Originally Posted By: JMR40
Saw the video and read the transcript months ago. It was a carefully scripted version prepared by Remington lawyers who did a masterful job of not quite telling the whole truth. Remingtons have been doing this since the 1960's, long before CNBC existed to have an agenda. If anyone watched the CNBC program and learned anything new they are either new to shooting, or have been living under a rock for 30+ years.

The pre-2007 Remington trigger is a flawed design. I've seen a perfectly clean 700 with a factory trigger drop the firing pin with no pull of the trigger. While it is extremely rare, and more likely to happen with a dirty or modified trigger, it can happen at any time to any 700. Remington knows this and has simply been deflecting the issue by trying to blame the shooters.


Originally posted by Jorge:
You guys are wasting your time by providing not only facts but personal experiences with the 700 aficionados. Whilst the chances are extremely slim of an AD and or the rest of the 700's shortcomings, you'll just be labeled a Remington hater. I own ONE 700, a 22-250 heavy barrel SS varmint rifle. Superbly accurate, but I use it exclusively on ground hogs from a fixed position and as a single shot mostly. jorge
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#6206205 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: CCCC]
nsaqam Offline
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You've located possible plaintiffs for your case.

Congratulations?
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#6206216 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: nsaqam]
nsaqam Offline
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Pretty sure Jorge isn't going to be showing up in court.

Seafire either.

JMR, maybe.

Enjoy!
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#6206461 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: nsaqam]
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Originally Posted By: nsaqam
You've located possible plaintiffs for your case.

Congratulations?


He is not an attorney. He is a retired educator--a very likeable and knowledgeable fellow who lives in a remote part of Catron County, NM. I have never asked him why his handle is "CCCC", but I suspect that it is because he lives in a place that he calls Casi Cielo in Catron County. I have no idea about his politics but I do know that he is one of the small circle of friends that keep Ken Howell safe and sane.

He posted looking for information and got the usual crap that comes sailing in when a thread goes adrift. Steelhead has had a bad week and I am willing to cut him some slack on his comments, but a couple of you guys should look in the mirror--the assh*le is you.
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#6206541 - 02/22/12 Re: Remington 700 unintentional firing - need info [Re: mudhen]
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I'll accept being an arsehole if CCCC accepts that he wasn't looking for answers when he rejected sound advice from working gunsmiths and accepted the words of others who didn't even provide a legitimate answer.

He had an agenda.
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