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#6206396 - 02/22/12 CDS or M1
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Going to send a 3.5-10x40 and a 2.5-8x36 in to Leupold for turrets.. The 3.5-10 is going on my Montana 7-08 and the 2.5-8 is going on my Model 7 260. I really only ever hope to get out to around 600yds with these two so if would a CDS with a one rotation zero stop be the easiest way to go and would there be any real need for the M1 style? Am also going to get the #4 put in the 3.5-10 after seeing the picture posted of it in the new VX2 and have a post n plex already in the 2.5-8.. Thanks DD
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#6206434 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Deputydad]
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What do you think?:



You think now you'll only ever want to get to 600, then you'll get there and suddenly it's not far enough. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself outta the gate.
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#6206451 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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To slightly thread jack, anyone ever have issues putting a turret on a VX2? Accuracy, repeatability wise?

I like the CDS, but have to say M1s are growing on me

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#6206509 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Taco280AI]
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Originally Posted By: NWO
anyone ever have issues putting a turret on a VX2? Accuracy, repeatability wise?



No
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#6206683 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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Originally Posted By: horse1
You think now you'll only ever want to get to 600, then you'll get there and suddenly it's not far enough. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself outta the gate.


Amen to that.
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#6206710 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Jordan Smith]
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So yall say M1 on both....
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#6206744 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Deputydad]
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Yes.
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#6206949 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Deputydad]
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For 650 yds a CDS with a zero stop would be lower profile and work well, for 650 and over the M1 would be needed, Have you ever shot out to 650 yards?

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#6206972 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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Originally Posted By: horse1
What do you think?:



You think now you'll only ever want to get to 600, then you'll get there and suddenly it's not far enough. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself outta the gate.


Looks to me like you need to do some rifle shopping! grin

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#6207024 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Deputydad]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Originally Posted By: Deputydad
So yall say M1 on both....


I've owned and used both. Now my Leupy's carry M1's, with not a single CDS knob to be found...
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#6207094 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Ackleyfan]
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Only ever shot out to 300yds, but a friend is putting together a 600yd range.. Just like the idea of a BDC turret, but was just going to get the CDS in MOA at this time if I went that way.... but adjustability of the M1 and it appears the numbers would be easier to see on the M1....
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#6207169 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Deputydad]
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The CDS comes with an MOA turret that is not one rotatation limited, therefore it will operate to the mechnical limits of the scope - just like an M1.
The CDS and M1 turret will do the same things on similar scopes.
The CDS has a zero stop feature.
The CDS turret is lower profile than the M1.
The M1 does have the "cool look" factor.
I have used both turrets.
Some say the CDS turret can "unknowningly" spin out of adjustment in scabboards and such - I have never encountered this problem.

On a hunting rifle I prefer the CDS due to the lower profile and zero stop. On a long range or similiar rig I prefer the M1 or Target turrets.

YMMV


Edited by CreekWarrior (02/22/12)

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#6207410 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: CreekWarrior]
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Don't over look the target turrets from Leupold. I personally prefer them over the M1 but thats just me.
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#6207475 - 02/22/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: CreekWarrior]
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Originally Posted By: CreekWarrior
The CDS comes with an MOA turret that is not one rotatation limited, therefore it will operate to the mechnical limits of the scope - just like an M1.
The CDS and M1 turret will do the same things on similar scopes.
The CDS has a zero stop feature.
The CDS turret is lower profile than the M1.
The M1 does have the "cool look" factor.
I have used both turrets.
Some say the CDS turret can "unknowningly" spin out of adjustment in scabboards and such - I have never encountered this problem.

On a hunting rifle I prefer the CDS due to the lower profile and zero stop. On a long range or similiar rig I prefer the M1 or Target turrets.

YMMV


All good points but I would not reccomend using a CDS without a zero stop on could lose his zero if not careful!

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#6210058 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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Originally Posted By: horse1
What do you think?:



You think now you'll only ever want to get to 600, then you'll get there and suddenly it's not far enough. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself outta the gate.


Spot on. In one day I went from shooting out 400 yards to 425 then to 700. Just by twisting a m1.
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#6210249 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Kaleb]
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Originally Posted By: Kaleb
Originally Posted By: horse1


You think now you'll only ever want to get to 600, then you'll get there and suddenly it's not far enough. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself outta the gate.


Spot on. In one day I went from shooting out 400 yards to 425 then to 700. Just by twisting a m1.


My experience was similar. I had an M-1 on 1 rifle and several B&C reticles. I got the B&C stuff sorted out in about an hour then those rifles sat while I fiddled with the M-1 topped rifle. It took me about 30min to realize that the B&C had buggered me outta the gate. They were all gone within 6mo.

A turret, a good drop chart, and a notation regarding duplex subtension has taught me way more than any extra hash-marks or custom dial ever could.
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#6210407 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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I guess I've been fortunate to be so late to the game. I've been able to read where guys like you have tried both and went with m1's. So I've been m1 from the start. Except for a couple I've bought used that had target turrets already on. My wife does use a 6x42 lrd on her 250AI. I/we know she's not gonna need more on that set up. If we're wrong it too will get changed asap
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#6210898 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Kaleb]
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Originally Posted By: Kaleb
My wife does use a 6x42 lrd on her 250AI. I/we know she's not gonna need more on that set up. If we're wrong it too will get changed asap


Nothing that $90 and 2wks can't fix should the need arise.
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#6210970 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: rc82bttb]
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Originally Posted By: rc82bttb
Don't over look the target turrets from Leupold. I personally prefer them over the M1 but thats just me.


Rest assured it is not just you. grin

The standard target turret is far ahead of either option.
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#6211938 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: horse1]
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Originally Posted By: horse1
Originally Posted By: Kaleb
My wife does use a 6x42 lrd on her 250AI. I/we know she's not gonna need more on that set up. If we're wrong it too will get changed asap


Nothing that $90 and 2wks can't fix should the need arise.


Yep except for the two week part. They kinda busy right now. I've had 3 scopes there for going on two weeks. Then it's another week back here to tn. No biggie though. Except I gotta new 6.5-284 I'm wantin to air out...grin
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#6211951 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: JohnBurns]
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Curious what it is that y'all like better? I've got and use both the target and m1 but can't see how target is better. I don't shoot nearly as far as y'all do but I do twist the turret then back to zero? Thanks
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#6211986 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Kaleb]
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I much prefer the M1 to the regular target turrets.
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#6212003 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Jordan Smith]
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I do too. I mean I don't plan on paying to have mine with target changed to m1 but every time I send one in its for m1's. Just curious about preferring the other. I'd certainly listen to what they have to say....espically someone who has a business dealing in such. I'm very much a rookie at this longer range stuff.
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#6212010 - 02/23/12 Re: CDS or M1 [Re: Kaleb]
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I'm interested in what JB has to say, too, but I'm guessing that part of his motivation comes from the fact that the GB scopes come with Leup target turrets that have custom BDC engraving on them. Just a guess, though. He obviously chose those turrets for a reason when he was spec'ing out GB scopes with Leupold...
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