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Overflow can be a royal pain-in-the-ass. I've gone through a few times. One time ended up thigh-deep in the stuff at -40 something. Wasn't fun. I was a long way from the cabin. It's a risky business.


Fortunately it was only as deep as my boots, so wet feet and socks. But man, that nice light tundra get's aweful heavy when the track is packed full of slush.

My boy managed to get across the overflow and into nice deep wet snow before getting stuck the second time. He saw some open water and wisely shut the machine down. After walking through the overflow and digging the snow I was able to get the nose and tracked moved enough to climb out of the hole he parked it in and powered back across the overflow. He got to walk back laugh

I found a good thread on what to do when dealing with a stuck in overflow situation:

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=448197

I need to add a few items into the don't leave the trailhead without it kit.


I know how heavy those things can be. I always bring a come-along and a length of stout nylon in the tarpaulin-covered sled behind the machine. One time on a spring bear hunt, a client stuck the Bearcat in overflow and that was miserable. The both of us ended up being wet from head to toe trying to get that one out. Just another day at the "office".

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Must be an older model ZX chassis Summit. Sounds like you got her all figured out, good luck and have fun on those sleds!


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That was actually a pretty cool link Paul. Most important thing you can bring with you is another rider or two... that one gets a lot of people.

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Older still, S-2000 chassis.

As to the overflow on Friday I was running from the N-fork Eagle River trail head. It starts off on a side channel and I headed up river, but went across enough overlow that I figured I'd head back. Then I decided to go down river. I got to a section that was too narrow to turn around and decided I'd keep going down river. This is warning #2 after all the overflow up river, I should have just gotten off and moved the sled around and called it a day.

I headed out over thin ice over overflow and could feel the sled going slower and slower. I did manage to get across it. Then I figured I'd turn it around by heading up a bank. I was suprised that it would go through waste deep powder, not fast and the engine was really working, but it did make it. I thought when I headed back down the bank I was on good ice as there was a layer of snow over it. Turns out it was snow over overflow and I wasn't going that fast coming down from the bank.

So many lessons learned, mainly riding solo on a river is a bad idea no matter how short the ride, that warming trends cause overflow, and that you should always bring a shovel and other gear to get unstuck.

Even a light sled is fricken heavy when you're the only idiot on the trail.


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Best wood line sled I ever had was a Polaris 440 transport w/rev,141� track 1.25 paddle��faster, better on gas than the tundra (85 and a 92 tundra!) then there was the 550lq bearcat 20x159�.it would stay on top of the deepest snow�guy would trench in and I�d pull along side leaving just paddle and stud marks in the snow.i rode that 550cat for a few years and ....THEN one day at articman 2005 my kid had to go back to town for the day��.. so I took his mod�ed out 700cc x151� rmk out to the back side of the tit�.that was it wo- ho smirk! good time !!!! Sold my sled the week I got back and picked up a /the new-used 800 with 175 miles on it..and now I never look back as I will run into something up front!! grinlol


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Originally Posted by cwh2
That was actually a pretty cool link Paul. Most important thing you can bring with you is another rider or two... that one gets a lot of people.

If you haven't tried a snow bungee, I'll lend you one.
Remember �when in dought throttle out� smile i have some good picks of water skiping....(i had to as there was 75' between me and a beer at pikes landing blush)


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Originally Posted by cwh2
Why so modest Dan?

Just being honest. I've seen awesome riding from the likes of others, and I don't measure up.


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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
Older still, S-2000 chassis.

As to the overflow on Friday I was running from the N-fork Eagle River trail head. It starts off on a side channel and I headed up river, but went across enough overlow that I figured I'd head back. Then I decided to go down river. I got to a section that was too narrow to turn around and decided I'd keep going down river. This is warning #2 after all the overflow up river, I should have just gotten off and moved the sled around and called it a day.

I headed out over thin ice over overflow and could feel the sled going slower and slower. I did manage to get across it. Then I figured I'd turn it around by heading up a bank. I was suprised that it would go through waste deep powder, not fast and the engine was really working, but it did make it. I thought when I headed back down the bank I was on good ice as there was a layer of snow over it. Turns out it was snow over overflow and I wasn't going that fast coming down from the bank.

So many lessons learned, mainly riding solo on a river is a bad idea no matter how short the ride, that warming trends cause overflow, and that you should always bring a shovel and other gear to get unstuck.

Even a light sled is fricken heavy when you're the only idiot on the trail.



Keep in mind that overflow occurs during extremely cold temperatures, too. It doesn't need to be a warming trend to cause overflow and as a matter of fact, extremely cold temperatures usually cause more overflow than warm temperatures - for the simple fact that water doesn't have anywhere to go as the ice presses against the stream bed, except to go up and out through the surface cracks.

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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I thought when I headed back down the bank I was on good ice as there was a layer of snow over it. Turns out it was snow over overflow and I wasn't going that fast coming down from the bank.


That's the worst kind of overflow, and common on some rivers/some years. Can't see it and you can get hundreds of yards into it before you realize if you aren't really paying attention; gotta listen to and 'feel' what the machine is telling you in that 'nice, smooth' powder, and don't tailgate. smile


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We should do an "Alaskan section" forum ride someday, i'm always looking for someone to ride with and teach me new riding techniques.


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I ride a Yamaha Bravo up here.

I also get laughed at a lot ("Hey, that thing is only firing on one cylinder!"). But I also didn't pay 12K for it back in '94, either.

Seth Kantner (my landlord) is right- it's like riding a tool box, but it gets me there as fast as I wish to go (under 40mph).

My chiropractor is adding a wing.... smile

If I was to buy a new one (why????), I'd get something with some suspension and high gas milage. Maybe a Skidoo Renegade.

I can certify, however, that one can get an entire field-butchered out caribou on the back cargo rack, with cortage. I have pics, but they aren't on photobucket yet.

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Nice looking sleds you're pulling behind your machines.



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Thanks. Sled-making is a craft which seems to be dying out in favor of plastics. But nothing pulls as nice as a well-made wood sled. And they'll take a lot more abuse than many people realize. I traded cabinet-making woodworking for sled building quite a few years back...with no regrets.


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Thanks. Sled-making is a craft which seems to be dying out in favor of plastics. But nothing pulls as nice as a well-made wood sled. And they'll take a lot more abuse than many people realize. I traded cabinet-making woodworking for sled building quite a few years back...with no regrets.


Yes, it seems that functional sled-crafting has become a thing of the past. As mentioned, nowadays everything seems to be going plastic. The problem with plastic toboggans is that they have a tendency to roll. Of course that's an aggravating feature. Over the years I've had great luck with a self-fabricated aluminum-frame sled, which is then completely covered with heavy canvas that's been treated with a thorough dose of Thompson's Waterseal.

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I seem to keep going backwards. 96 skandic, 91 tundra, and last night I picked up this yamaha

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It was advertised as a 340 enticer, which is what the hood says. But looking at pics of oldy yammies, the handlebars and stripes on the tunnel, I think it's a 340 exciter. Doesn't really matter, for $100 I wasn't going to argue. He said it quite on him and the local shop diagnosed it as the stator going out. Based on some google fu I should be able to swap out the coils in the stator and have it running again fairly cheaply. Oh, also missing the throttle? I'll probably just order the cheapest throttle I can find off of flea bay.

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How hard is it to find parts for those older machines? Do good dealers still stock them or is it strictly a fleabay affair? Are certain brands better than others for both longevity and OEM parts support?

I'd really like to own a pair of machines, but am NOT willing to dump $12K+ apiece on 'em. I just want reliable back country transportation, and as fast as they depreciate, the used market likely holds some bargains if I know what to look for.

Ideally, I'd like a skid-doo Tundra, but they're pretty rare down here.


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This machine is 10 years or less overall. It's a machine that began locally as only the chassis. It was a project I built with students a couple of years ago with all other parts from eBay. It is not color coordinated, but it is a sound machine in every way. The cost was somewhere between $1000-2000. It was 200 miles from home in this pic on a caribou hunting expedition last spring.


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Snowmachine junkyards, fleabay and craigslist. I'd say on the early 90's and newer machines parts aren't too hard to find. 80's vintage a bit tougher, and the 70's sleds are more of a restoration deal than something I'd want for remote travel.

You should be able to find an older sled in good condtion for under $2k.

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How hard is it to find parts for those older machines? Do good dealers still stock them or is it strictly a fleabay affair? Are certain brands better than others for both longevity and OEM parts support?

I'd really like to own a pair of machines, but am NOT willing to dump $12K+ apiece on 'em. I just want reliable back country transportation, and as fast as they depreciate, the used market likely holds some bargains if I know what to look for.

Ideally, I'd like a skid-doo Tundra, but they're pretty rare down here.

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Thanks for the replies. I'll start poking around the internet, learning about options and availability.


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