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So, it seems you have to use premium bullets for the .223 to be effective. You also need to shoot at closer ranges. You also need to take safe shots. Lung shots.
Kind of sounds like what you'd do with a good old 30-30 with cheap core-lokts.
The 30-30 will destroy less meat, and i'd feel more comfortable shooting a bear with the 30-30 too. Just in case you run in to a grumpy mama with cubs.
I still don't get the .223 except for varmints. So with bigger cartridges you are all for taking JO ass shots, [bleep] the vitals? I've never not punch bone with the 223AI. Put you experience is akin to JO's on the matter.
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So, it seems you have to use premium bullets for the .223 to be effective. You also need to shoot at closer ranges. You also need to take safe shots. Lung shots.
Kind of sounds like what you'd do with a good old 30-30 with cheap core-lokts.
The 30-30 will destroy less meat, and i'd feel more comfortable shooting a bear with the 30-30 too. Just in case you run in to a grumpy mama with cubs.
I still don't get the .223 except for varmints. So with bigger cartridges you are all for taking JO ass shots, [bleep] the vitals? I've never not punch bone with the 223AI. Put you experience is akin to JO's on the matter. You read funny. I never said anything about taking bad shots. Then again. You're Steelhead, and I expect nothing less from you.
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Ya, and as a Vietnam era vet, I can tell you , we all were just so really impressed with the 223........why do you think the military is rethinking that one. Multiple bursts from an automatic is required.
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Exactly AggieDog, they designed the 6.8 SPC to replace it... at least for the Special Forces for now. Glad someone has my back. LOL
Of course head shots are the best, but when your clearing room to room your not exactly focused on making perfect head shots... surviving is WAY more important.
Question... would you rather clear rooms with a .223 diameter bullet or a 30 cal? No brainer. Same concept, of course it will kill them, but a 30 cal hitting the exact same spots would kill faster. Why else would they invent the 6.8 SPC to compete with the 7.62x39?
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Exactly AggieDog, they designed the 6.8 SPC to replace it... at least for the Special Forces for now. Glad someone has my back. LOL
Of course head shots are the best, but when your clearing room to room your not exactly focused on making perfect head shots... surviving is WAY more important.
Question... would you rather clear rooms with a .223 diameter bullet or a 30 cal? No brainer. Same concept, of course it will kill them, but a 30 cal hitting the exact same spots would kill faster. Why else would they invent the 6.8 SPC to compete with the 7.62x39?
That's one reason why special forces use the AK-47 over the M4 in a lot of situations. What the [bleep] do clearing rooms, Vietnam, or special forces have to do with the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the 223 on elk? Never had an elk shoot back, toss a grenade, or detonate an IED yet.... it's not like they have an offensive agenda. [bleep], next chance I get to legally do it, I'm whackin an elk with a 223. Even though I know a 12 year old rainman who already whacked tatonka with one...
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The 5.56mm round is fine for combat. Its the damn ball ammo that needs to be changed. Not to mention the amount of ammo a guy can carry, and the fact that elk are not hopped up on opium. Same thing with the 9mm vs the 45 ACP.
Back to elk hunting...
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Exactly AggieDog, they designed the 6.8 SPC to replace it... at least for the Special Forces for now. Glad someone has my back. LOL
Of course head shots are the best, but when your clearing room to room your not exactly focused on making perfect head shots... surviving is WAY more important.
Question... would you rather clear rooms with a .223 diameter bullet or a 30 cal? No brainer. Same concept, of course it will kill them, but a 30 cal hitting the exact same spots would kill faster. Why else would they invent the 6.8 SPC to compete with the 7.62x39?
That's one reason why special forces use the AK-47 over the M4 in a lot of situations. I don't have any experience shooting people, but quite a bit shooting deer sized game and I can't tell any difference provided vitals are punched. I figured Special Forces wanted a different cartridge because for the most part they think they are Special better than some lowly grunt...
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So, it seems you have to use premium bullets for the .223 to be effective. You also need to shoot at closer ranges. You also need to take safe shots. Lung shots.
So with bigger cartridges you are all for taking JO ass shots, [bleep] the vitals? I've never not punch bone with the 223AI. Put you experience is akin to JO's on the matter. You read funny. I never said anything about taking bad shots. Then again. You're Steelhead, and I expect nothing less from you. Pretty clear where he got that idea. You might want to read what you write sometime.
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Dog Hunter - you got give up those nasty MT habits! We are already trying to deport oldmanweirdo/interthem. You don't want your name added to the list of undesirables! Sorry, old habits die hard.
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So, it seems you have to use premium bullets for the .223 to be effective. You also need to shoot at closer ranges. You also need to take safe shots. Lung shots.
So with bigger cartridges you are all for taking JO ass shots, [bleep] the vitals? I've never not punch bone with the 223AI. Put you experience is akin to JO's on the matter. You read funny. I never said anything about taking bad shots. Then again. You're Steelhead, and I expect nothing less from you. Pretty clear where he got that idea. You might want to read what you write sometime. No, I don't see it at all. maybe you should read my complete post. Not just what he quoted. I said safe shots need to be taken with the .223 and the 30-30. I made no mention at all of being able to take bad shots with any bullet. I wouldn't, because that goes against everything I stand for in my hunting.
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The 5.56mm round is fine for combat. Its the damn ball ammo that needs to be changed. Not to mention the amount of ammo a guy can carry, and the fact that elk are not hopped up on opium. Same thing with the 9mm vs the 45 ACP.
Back to elk hunting...
The 45 was my personal side arm in the 82nd, and opinions are just that, opinions, and for me, I d rather pop someone charging me with a 45 than the 9mm. I'll get that followup shot for sure with a 45 because his but t s going to be down on the first shot. I'll buy the 223 on elk if Im the shooter, but I wont recommend it to inexperienced shooters.
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The whole topic is clueless. Illegal in some places, foolish anywhere. You gotta watch the whole video, especially the part with the "flying camera" near the end. Imagine you had shot him with your 22 caliber toy and he was really pizzed off ? Stupid is as stupid does ! http://www.nps.gov/yell/photosmultimedia/safetyvideos.htm
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Any thread that goes this long for no apparent reason other than boredom should have some girly pics... I tried to divert the topic with my sheep [bleep] pic but nobody followed suit.
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