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#6236675 - 02/29/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: deflave]
KCBighorn Offline
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Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 2038
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: deflave
Looks like it worked. Didn't even need to coordinate. We should be promoted to squad leaders.


Travis


Absolutely. Couldn't of done it without Ron Burgundy though.

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#6236688 - 02/29/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: KCBighorn]
deflave Online   content
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Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 43255
Loc: Havre, Montana
Don't forget the channel five news team.

My work is done here. Got more 9.3 to test.

It's my gopher gun this spring. Kind of ironic considering the thread title.

Travis

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#6236694 - 02/29/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: deflave]
KCBighorn Offline
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Registered: 02/28/08
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Loc: Oregon
You stay classy San Diego...

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#6239018 - 03/01/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: JohnBurns]
logcutter Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 5762
Loc: Central Idaho
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Sorry but it is too much fun poking the guys who can't imagine an elk could actually be killed with anything but a mega magnum.

I mean an elk is simply a magic creature that actually knows what it has been shot with. Wrecked hearts and lungs are not the point, it will not die until a minimum cartridge has been used.

Magic is cool.


There 'ya go right there and said very well 'lil John,wrecked heart and lungs mean nothing..I have seen the 22-250/223 and 243 used on Elk and in what I have seen,the .22-250 and 223 killed better than the 243..Just because of the user putting the bullet where it belonged..

It isn't the caliber but the shooter being able to make the shot needed without stressing out....The differeence between the 243 and 223 is so small,how could it matter if they both penetrate the same?

Jayco

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#6239617 - 03/01/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: logcutter]
JohnBurns Offline
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Registered: 09/17/09
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Loc: Wyoming
Lil Logcutter,

Well are going to commit to using your shiny new black gun to kill an elk this year or are you just stirring the pot? shocked

I would again like to reiterate that I would avoid shoulders if you are doing more here than just talking. cool
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#6239645 - 03/01/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: JohnBurns]
logcutter Offline
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'lil John

I'm not just talking.I am considering using it this year but it all depends on what I see prior to hunting season and if there still there..And I have chose pretty much to use the 62 grain TSX,a bullet I am really not fond of but penetration and integrity is more important in the .223 than most if I do my job.

I never take shoulder shots intentionally..I am a meat hunter. grin

Notice I said intentionally.Chit happens...

Jayco

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#6241925 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: deflave]
kbruceM7KID Offline
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Registered: 01/13/12
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Loc: Out in the woods
Originally Posted By: deflave
So, if I were to read your post and reply thats you are a lifeless, phucking, douche bag, I would be "manning up"?

Hypothetically speaking of course...


Travis
AMEN!
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#6242166 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: kbruceM7KID]
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Registered: 05/30/05
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Loc: Boot Heel of New Mexico
My nephew's son Grant got to go on an elk hunt provided by the Trinity Oaks Foundation (he is a two-time survivor of gliobastoma, a very malignant brain cancer). I thought that this photo would be appropriate in this thread. The AR 15 that he used is one that he built while in quarantine with parts donated by the men and women over on the AR website.

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#6242261 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: mudhen]
toad Offline
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Loc: Montana
great picture, mudhen!
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#6242777 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: logcutter]
Fotis Offline
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Registered: 05/22/09
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Loc: Cheyenne, Wy
Originally Posted By: logcutter
Originally Posted By: Jeff_O
Die where?


If you punch the lungs of an Elk with a 45-70 hard cast,you have punched the lungs with a ..459/.460 bullet for the most part..If you punch the lungs with a .223 Federal Fusion,you punched the lungs with a .54 caliber expanded bullet.

Which is better?

Jayco


I will take the 45-70 and leave the 223 where it belongs. With the prairie dogs.
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#6242782 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: kbruceM7KID]
Mauser_Hunter Offline
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Registered: 09/28/11
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Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Kbruce
Originally Posted By: deflave
So, if I were to read your post and reply thats you are a lifeless, phucking, douche bag, I would be "manning up"?

Hypothetically speaking of course...


Travis
AMEN!


It wasn't a prayer nitwit.
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#6242984 - 03/02/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: mudhen]
logcutter Offline
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Originally Posted By: mudhen
My nephew's son Grant got to go on an elk hunt provided by the Trinity Oaks Foundation (he is a two-time survivor of gliobastoma, a very malignant brain cancer). I thought that this photo would be appropriate in this thread. The AR 15 that he used is one that he built while in quarantine with parts donated by the men and women over on the AR website.



That is nothing short of just cool...Any story that goes with it.

Thanks for the photo and the fine young hunter.

Jayco

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#6246118 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: logcutter]
wilkeshunter Offline
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Registered: 09/16/09
Posts: 3107
Loc: North Carolina
That is a great story of the kid and the elk. I hope there are MANY more elk in his future!!!! As for the .223, I guess we will all wake up one day and that is the only cartridge that we will use. It does everythig so well. I can't wait.

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#6246126 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: wilkeshunter]
ingwe Offline
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Registered: 12/20/08
Posts: 57351
Loc: Southwestern Montucky
Originally Posted By: wilkeshunter
I guess we will all wake up one day and that is the only cartridge that we will use. It does everythig so well. I can't wait.



the future isn't here yet...for now, the .223AI fills that bill.... grin
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#6246211 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: ingwe]
wilkeshunter Offline
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Registered: 09/16/09
Posts: 3107
Loc: North Carolina
Must be an out west thing. I only know of one guy that has one of those. I guess we are still in the dark ages down here. Heck, I still hunt with a 30.30!

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#6246248 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: wilkeshunter]
JohnBurns Offline
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Registered: 09/17/09
Posts: 2749
Loc: Wyoming
Funniest thing is absolutely no one in this thread has recommended the .223 as a general purpose elk round.

Some here have found the idea of using a .223 to kill an elk as akin to scaling Mount Everest and some have found the idea interesting in a limited range added challenge method of hunting.

Interesting also that those who seem to have the most actual elk killing real world experience seem to also be the least daunted in the concept of actually killing an elk with said .223. Is there a lesson hiding in the responses??
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#6246481 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: JohnBurns]
Mauser_Hunter Offline
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Registered: 09/28/11
Posts: 4195
Loc: Colorado
If they want a challenge. Use an elk gun, and take the scope off.
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#6246613 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
smithrjd Offline
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Registered: 10/03/07
Posts: 2217
Why? there are much better cartridges for elk. I suppose one could kill an Elephant with a 22LR if life was perfect. For myself I'll use something else. I was "given" a .223 as part of my daily outfit for over 20 years, and yes they do and will work for what they were designed to do. For Elk why?

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#6246734 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: mudhen]
kawi Offline
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Registered: 05/11/10
Posts: 2303
I would dislike to be hit by one but hit right whould I now?

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#6247567 - 03/03/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: JohnBurns]
logcutter Offline
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Loc: Central Idaho
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Interesting also that those who seem to have the most actual elk killing real world experience seem to also be the least daunted in the concept of actually killing an elk with said .223. Is there a lesson hiding in the responses??


Lil John

We know it can or anyone that has hunted very long,should know that.My only problem using the .223 exclusively for Elk this year is the possibility of having to pass on a non typical shot we get thrown at us at times like you mentioned,the dreaded shoulder shot..I have seen it where that was the only shot in thick timber and I would probably pass with the .223.

I'm a go and it's time to start working up loads.Passing is easy for old guys because if you pass,you don't have to pack 'em out. grin

Elk hunting doesn't mean to me what it once did..I just enjoy getting out with my kids and family.

Jayco

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#6251892 - 03/04/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: logcutter]
Magnum_Man Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2942
Well gee Logcutter, As long as you are setting the stage for the creation of a monument to your elk hunting and killing ability. I for one don't want to see it unless it's got 375 minimum bone on its head. Yeah and make sure your left arm is broken but casted as well as your right leg and that you are recovering from a nasty case of the clap at the same time caused by hero worship from the local b girls. Geez cain't believe dis sh*t.

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#6252399 - 03/05/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: Magnum_Man]
stray round Offline
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Registered: 12/23/05
Posts: 3009
Mudhen, that has to be the best pic I've seen in a long time. Sure hope that young man gets to have many a great hunt in his future.

He looks like a real trooper and a great hunting buddy.

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#6254762 - 03/05/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: mudhen]
TexasPhotog Offline
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Registered: 04/09/10
Posts: 1785
Now that's cool! Good for him!
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#6254873 - 03/05/12 Re: Elk and the .223.Why not? [Re: TexasPhotog]
logcutter Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 5762
Loc: Central Idaho
This is a heck of a testimonial of the .223 on Elk.To bad it was a poacher....

JACKSON MAN CHARGED WITH FELONY AND 11 MISDEMEANORS FOR POACHING 11 ELK

JACKSON &#65533; One felony and 11 misdemeanor charges have been filed against a Jackson man for allegedly killing 11 elk Nov. 24, 2003 in the Gros Ventre River drainage northeast of Jackson. Elliot Hudson, 20, could serve up to 21 years in prison and jail if given the maximum combined sentence for the 12 charges.

This poaching incident that unfolded near the Red Hills campground is one of the most egregious Jackson Game and Fish Department officers have ever experienced. At noon that day, a nearby witness heard several rifle shots and saw 13 elk, three of which were wounded, running from an area where he had seen a dark green Jeep Cherokee. The individual reported the incident to G&F officials who found Hudson and his Jeep Cherokee at the scene.

Jackson Game Warden Bill Long found several .223 caliber shells on the ground and 11 dead elk within 35 to 150 yards of the road.



Jayco

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