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#6241121 - 03/01/12 how many guys actually use topo maps to locate..
340mag Offline
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how many guys actually use topo maps to locate roads,camp sites. water sources, natural terrain choke points and potential hunter access and potential game movement and escape routes.
as I got more experience I found that a few hours of carefully using resources like terrain maps, google earth, and forest service road maps, county property boundary info, BLM maps and other resources allowed me to predict reasonably well the likely game movements as big game in many of the rougher canyon country , could be accurately predicted to leave most of the easily accessed areas near public roads and camp sites, and retreat into areas with far less hunt pressure, now at first we thought that always meant as far from roads as possible but we eventually learned thru trial and error that hunters are generally highly adverse to climbing steep terrain or crossing deeper streams requiring wading, or following a railroad right of way thru private land into BLM lands beyond and having maps and property boundrys and a GPS were valid tools to gain access to some of the better hunt areas


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#6241154 - 03/01/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
navlav8r Offline
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I use 'em all.
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#6241156 - 03/01/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
exbiologist Offline
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I do in conjunction with scouting. But, sometimes, like when hunting out of state, my scouting is subpar or nonexistent, but I've done surprisingly well with just maps and Google Earth
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#6241174 - 03/01/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
Alamosa Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 1958
Loc: Southern Colorado
Originally Posted By: 340mag
how many guys actually use topo maps to locate roads,camp sites. water sources, natural terrain choke points and potential hunter access and potential game movement and escape routes.
as I got more experience I found that a few hours of carefully using resources like terrain maps, google earth, and forest service road maps, county property boundary info, BLM maps and other resources allowed me to predict reasonably well the likely game movements as big game in many of the rougher canyon country , could be accurately predicted to leave most of the easily accessed areas near public roads and camp sites, and retreat into areas with far less hunt pressure, now at first we thought that always meant as far from roads as possible but we eventually learned thru trial and error that hunters are generally highly adverse to climbing steep terrain or crossing deeper streams requiring wading, or following a railroad right of way thru private land into BLM lands beyond and having maps and property boundrys and a GPS were valid tools to gain access to some of the better hunt areas

I'm pretty sure that is the longest sentence I have ever seen.

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#6241245 - 03/01/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: Alamosa]
340mag Offline
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Originally Posted By: Alamosa

I'm pretty sure that is the longest sentence I have ever seen.


sorry Im a retired mech engineer , I was spoiled, in that area,I had a secretary that was great at taking what I wrote and getting the sentence structure and punctuation more reasonable.

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#6241768 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
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I look at maps like some guys look at dirty magazines!
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#6242026 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: Alamosa]
alpinecrick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Alamosa
I'm pretty sure that is the longest sentence I have ever seen.



I think you be right...... grin



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#6242059 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
alpinecrick Offline
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On the other hand, two of my favorite elk ambush spots are...featureless--at least from a topo or google satellite. Yet elk pile in there from opening day on. There is nothing obvious to make it special--not feed, not cover, not water, not a natural path to follow.

It even took me a while to convinve myself these were "hotspots".

I have another place in a limited license unit that from a map would look like it's too close to a road and people, yet it can't be seen from the road, there's nothing there to suggest there is something special. But it's a HUGE bench with water, cover, and feed, and there are elk in there from midsummer through the 2nd rifle season.


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#6242655 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: navlav8r]
KC Offline
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Loc: Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Originally Posted By: navlav8r
I use 'em all.

+1

I've used USGS maps, and a compass, and USFS maps, and BLM maps, and county maps, for 50+ years and I study them constantly looking for just the kind of items that 340mag mentioned. But I've never seen an elk on the map.

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#6242736 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: KC]
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Originally Posted By: KC

Originally Posted By: navlav8r
I use 'em all.

+1

I've used USGS maps, and a compass, and USFS maps, and BLM maps, and county maps, for 50+ years and I study them constantly looking for just the kind of items that 340mag mentioned. But I've never seen an elk on the map.

KC



+2

It can be tough finding elk in new areas but a number of times studying the maps and now Google earth has let me find elk the first time in.
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#6242797 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
1minute Offline
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Loc: Burns/Hines, Oregon, USA
Yes. But I have not purchased a paper one for years. With a little surfing and some time, one can typically download or acquire the DRG's (digital raster graphics) for his entire state at no cost. Then there's plenty of free software out there for viewing and everything is georeferenced. Save the desired coordinates and download them to one's GPS unit.


Edited by 1minute (03/02/12)
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#6243017 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 1minute]
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Personally, I wouldn't use 'em, I'd just make it a point to stay close to the road.
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#6243027 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 1minute]
Rock Chuck Offline
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You can open any topo map in the US at http://store.usgs.gov. It will open in PDF format so you can do anything you like with it.
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#6243053 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: Rock Chuck]
BrentD Offline
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I'm fortunate to have a entire wing (albeit small) of a university library filled with nothing but maps. That includes just about every USGS topo map ever made. It is a great resource. It also has the USFS/BLM maps which I like better, and many other types of maps.

I use this a lot for hunting. However, I'm not entirely sure that they are essential. They do help with finding access points and, more importantly, areas with very few access points. But they don't actually say "Elk here". Only to the extent that they reasonably depict forest and open parks and other habitat are they really all that useful. Google Earth is better, and more up to date for many of these sorts of features.

The two (maps and Google) used together, are far better than either alone.

There is a website (mytopo.com?) that allows you to put together a custom map of just the areas you are interested in. That saves you from having to carry the whole map library for a small area that always occurs at the junction of multiple maps. Very handy and very quick. I highly recommend them.
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#6243116 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: BrentD]
Rock Chuck Offline
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Some years ago I bought Nat. Geographics Topo! program for Idaho. It has the entire set of USGS topo maps for the state. Since then a number of mapping sites have come online but I still find the Topo! maps to be most useful. I just print out the areas I think I'll need on ordinary 8.5x11 paper. It's not waterproof and needs to be kept in a ziplock bag, but it's quick and easy.
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#6243129 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
redfoxx Offline
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I do, have had to learn how to do majority of pre-scouting remotely as a NR to any western mountain state. Topo maps are a major part of that pre-hunt scouting.
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#6243164 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: redfoxx]
Alamosa Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 1958
Loc: Southern Colorado
I like being able to bring up a USGS topo on my PC, zoom to where I want, mark a point, then download those points to my GPS.
I can print a map including my points if I want.

After a hunt I'll upload points collected in the field from the GPS to my PC database.

Over time that database of landmarks, kills, sightings, has become the most valuable component.

I keep a hard file of USGS, BLM, Nat'l Forest, in camp - mostly for the bennefit of the others in camp.

One more odd thing that has been helpfull. I post a plastic 3D relief map on the wall of my RV. Nothing else really compares to having a small scale model of the terrain.

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#6243179 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: 340mag]
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Originally Posted By: 340mag
that hunters are generally highly adverse to... following a railroad right of way thru private land into BLM lands beyond


There's usually a reason for that.. smirk
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#6243264 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: Alamosa]
Maverick940 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/12
Posts: 1970
Loc: Alaska
Originally Posted By: Alamosa
Originally Posted By: 340mag
how many guys actually use topo maps to locate roads,camp sites. water sources, natural terrain choke points and potential hunter access and potential game movement and escape routes.
as I got more experience I found that a few hours of carefully using resources like terrain maps, google earth, and forest service road maps, county property boundary info, BLM maps and other resources allowed me to predict reasonably well the likely game movements as big game in many of the rougher canyon country , could be accurately predicted to leave most of the easily accessed areas near public roads and camp sites, and retreat into areas with far less hunt pressure, now at first we thought that always meant as far from roads as possible but we eventually learned thru trial and error that hunters are generally highly adverse to climbing steep terrain or crossing deeper streams requiring wading, or following a railroad right of way thru private land into BLM lands beyond and having maps and property boundrys and a GPS were valid tools to gain access to some of the better hunt areas

I'm pretty sure that is the longest sentence I have ever seen.


Agreed. It's like West African sentence composition, or something.

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#6243300 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: Rancho_Loco]
CP Offline
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Railroad right-of –ways are private property, and since 9/11, just walking along the tracks can lead to some difficult conversations with the authorities. CP.

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#6243391 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: BrentD]
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Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 15287
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Rock Chuck
It's not waterproof and needs to be kept in a ziplock bag, but it's quick and easy.


I do the same, but I print on waterproof stock that you can buy at REI or I'm sure other places. It's made by National Geographic and called something catchy like "adventure paper." LOL, they'd probably sell more if they called it "extreme adventure papaer." If you print on both sides, you can cover a pretty large area.


Originally Posted By: BrentD
They do help with finding access points and, more importantly, areas with very few access points. But they don't actually say "Elk here". Only to the extent that they reasonably depict forest and open parks and other habitat are they really all that useful.


I'd agree with that. My two best spots were found after doing some map work to find areas with no roads, but they didn't look all that good on the map. I found them walking in, on my way to other spots that "looked much better on the map" but weren't. Elk are where you find them.
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#6243420 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: smokepole]
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Loc: Colorado
Not to much with Topo maps. I use Google Earth and a lot of scouting throughout the year.
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#6243436 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: CP]
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I have only been elk hunting once, in 1990, but I used a map a lot. There were not a lot of videos or the internet back then (at least in rural Iowa) but I read every book and magazine article I could get ahold of. I bought topo maps of the area and marked potential spots on them. The first elk I saw was on one of my "x's", which made the whole trip for me, however, the elk I shot was at an unmarked wallow that is now marked on my map. I just thought it was cool that my kitchen table scouting in Iowa really helped with a hunt in Wyoming. Since I hope to elk hunt again in a year or two I am trying to learn my mapping gps better, but I will still have maps and a compass with me.

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#6243445 - 03/02/12 Re: how many guys actually use topo maps to locate.. [Re: duckcall]
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I like studying maps. But I don't know how much it's helped me really. Just have to find them and know where the private property is.
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