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#6242538 - 03/01/12 08:36 PM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: djpaintless]
Ringman Offline
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Did what you corrected me to say something different to the subject at hand?
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#6243018 - 03/02/12 04:47 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: Ringman]
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
[quote]Welcome to the 'fire, ANGCortsair. I hope I can influence you in the proper way to enjoy optics.


Thanks for the welcome! I appreciate your offer.

With my two 4200's, one is 5 years old and the other is the closeout model, I have noticed that they do have some vignetting but nothing you'd notice while shooting. They are very resistant to off-bore light sources unless the source is right behind me. You'd be hard-pressed to find any sub-$500 which doesn't experience the same. Their clarity is excellent. I would put them just a smidge below the Conquest and Minox ZA-5 I own. It takes a while for me to discern any difference between these but there is a difference. Same with light transmission. The RainGuard feature is fantastic. Both of these scopes are on my brushbeater/nasty day rifles and they take abuse and deal with the elements.

I think that your average hunter will be well-equipped for life with a 4200 atop their rifle. You can definitely find better glass out there but not easily for less than $400. At the closeout pricing they're being offered for now the are only rivaled by the Minox open-box pricing that is currently available. Prior to these offers I felt that the $400 Conquests were the best bargain.

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#6247477 - 03/03/12 08:30 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: Ringman]
Ready Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
Did what you corrected me to say something different to the subject at hand?


Nothing much- just correct you by turning your phrase 180 to correct it.

Exit pupil matters, coatings help.
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#6247579 - 03/03/12 08:59 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: Ready]
Ringman Offline
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Exit pupil matters, coatings help.


Exit pupil matters only if both optics are the same quality. Read the post about exit pupil and refute it with your camparison information instead of your key board.
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#6248310 - 03/03/12 01:56 PM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: djpaintless]
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
As far as exit pupil I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that exit pupil has very little to do with real world performance.


This is as about as uninformed and ignorant post as someone has made on this forum in quite a while..............................dj
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#6248873 - 03/03/12 05:00 PM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: djpaintless]
68injunhed Offline
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Originally Posted By: djpaintless
Originally Posted By: Ringman
As far as exit pupil I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that exit pupil has very little to do with real world performance.


This is as about as uninformed and ignorant post as someone has made on this forum in quite a while..............................dj


Oh c'mon, those little bitty exit pupils are so EASY to get behind...they don't mean anything. wink

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#6249895 - 03/03/12 09:41 PM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: 68injunhed]
Ringman Offline
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You guys remind me of religious people and so called science people the Bible discribes as "willfully ignorant". Take a look at the post and tell me where I messed up.

Or do a similar experiment and post your results. Talk is cheap. I have shown many times that exit pupil is not a very good criteria to use when judging optics.
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#6250594 - 03/04/12 07:14 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: Ringman]
SKane Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ringman


I will again post my comparisons in a differnt thread for the newer folks.



That's ok, the first time was more than adequate. wink
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#6250657 - 03/04/12 07:31 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: SKane]
RDFinn Offline
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Registered: 01/02/06
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It would be sad if someone went out and spent their hard earned money on a scope based on Ringman's "testing".

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#6250734 - 03/04/12 07:52 AM Re: Busnell 4200 disapointment [Re: Ringman]
Ready Offline
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Registered: 12/21/08
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
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Exit pupil matters, coatings help.


Exit pupil matters only if both optics are the same quality. Read the post about exit pupil and refute it with your camparison information instead of your key board.


For instance -

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads...pes#Post3893095
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