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#6409724 - 04/15/12 04:29 PM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: nsaqam]
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Originally Posted By: nsaqam
Thanks BT!

If I read that legalese correctly, and I'm not certain I do, I could buy a brand new LH Savage SA and on the 4473 check OTHER in box 18 and at that point I can make either a handgun or a rifle out of it.
I would appreciate any further insight you may have on this BT. Am I understanding it at all correctly?
It's my understanding from reading that ruling and discussing this with an FFL/S.O.T. friend that the firearm would still be sold as a rifle or handgun as currently assembled. (Virgin receivers are sold as receivers; receivers and actions that were formerly rifles are still rifles.) The end user can then acquire the parts to completely reconfigure the rifle into a handgun or vice-versa provided each set of conversion parts is kept together without having stepped into NFA territory.

As long as your conversion is configuring from one type of Title I firearm to another type of Title I firearm, then you haven't crossed into the purview of the NFA.

However, if you bought a conversion to simply attach a buttstock to a handgun or to add a short barrel of less than 16-inches to a rifle, then it would appear your intent was to create an NFA weapon.
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#6427184 - 04/20/12 04:53 PM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: Bricktop]
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I didn't find this but maybe it's buried in all the posts someplace.
I need a copy of sheet you need to fill out at the Post Office when you're sending a longgun through the mail.
It would be easier to have it with you than stand in line and fill it out.
Anybody have a copy they can post to make copies?
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#6427865 - 04/20/12 08:39 PM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: jbmi]
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Originally Posted By: jbmi
I didn't find this but maybe it's buried in all the posts someplace.
I need a copy of sheet you need to fill out at the Post Office when you're sending a longgun through the mail.
It would be easier to have it with you than stand in line and fill it out.
Anybody have a copy they can post to make copies?
There's not any "sheet" required for sending a long gun. The DMM states that you MAY be required to verify that the long gun is unloaded prior to mailing, not SHALL verify. The difference in the language being "may" means might and "shall" means mandatory.

If you feel you need to declare a long gun to the USPS, I'd be happy to post up a standard boiler plate statement I sometimes use, but you're under no legal obligation to do so.
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#6440447 - 04/24/12 07:52 PM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: Bricktop]
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BT,
If I understand correctly, two persons residing in the same state may ship firearms to each other without using a FFL desler. Is that correct?
John
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#6451009 - 04/27/12 06:04 PM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: John_Boy]
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Originally Posted By: John_Boy
BT,
If I understand correctly, two persons residing in the same state may ship firearms to each other without using a FFL desler. Is that correct?
John
With regard to federal law, that is correct. Some states also regulate intrastate private sales (like California), but by and large it is permissible to ship another resident of your state a firearm without using an FFL holder.
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#6455478 - 04/29/12 10:38 AM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: Bricktop]
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Thanks for the reply Bricktop. I recently traded with another Fire member who lived in Texas also. No problems. I did use UPS however. Now crossing the Red River.....
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#6468774 - 05/03/12 10:42 AM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: Bricktop]
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Originally Posted By: Florida Resident
I bought a pristine pre-64 Super Grade Model 70 from a guy in Georgia. He drove to just inside the northern border of Florida to meet me for the exchange in a McDonald's parking lot. Saved the worry about damage in shipping and much of the costs.

I hope that a question about buying and selling but avoiding shipping is on topic.

Is the transfer described in the quote above a violation of Federal law, assuming that neither party has an FFL?

My reading of ATF FAQs makes me think it is a violation, despite crossing a state border to make the transfer in the purchaser's state of residency. I may be misinterpreting the FAQs, or they may be incorrect.

Thanks.
--Bob

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#6471045 - 05/04/12 04:58 AM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: BullShooter]
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Originally Posted By: BullShooter
Originally Posted By: Florida Resident
I bought a pristine pre-64 Super Grade Model 70 from a guy in Georgia. He drove to just inside the northern border of Florida to meet me for the exchange in a McDonald's parking lot. Saved the worry about damage in shipping and much of the costs.

I hope that a question about buying and selling but avoiding shipping is on topic.

Is the transfer described in the quote above a violation of Federal law, assuming that neither party has an FFL?

My reading of ATF FAQs makes me think it is a violation, despite crossing a state border to make the transfer in the purchaser's state of residency. I may be misinterpreting the FAQs, or they may be incorrect.

Thanks.
--Bob
Yes, you are correct. The '68 GCA does not permit unlicensed persons who are residents of different states to transfer a firearm without going through a federal firearms licensee. However, I have never ever seen any sort of credible data that would lead me to believe that the BATFE or any U.S. Attorney's office is using any sort of resources to track down and prosecute these; there's just not a lot of funding to prosecute a private sale between two otherwise law-abiding gun owners. I won't openly suggest anyone violate the law, but use your best judgement on something like this.
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#6471647 - 05/04/12 08:11 AM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: Bricktop]
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Bricktop-
I appreciate your time and effort spent in the reply.

Your point about the impracticality of tracking such transfers is noted. However, it's easy to imagine how federal law enforcement might become interested in illegal transfers by individuals no matter how otherwise law abiding they might be.

Thanks.
--Bob

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#6472016 - 05/04/12 10:10 AM Re: Buying, selling, and shipping firearms tutorial [Re: BullShooter]
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Originally Posted By: BullShooter
However, it's easy to imagine how federal law enforcement might become interested in illegal transfers by individuals no matter how otherwise law abiding they might be.
Unless you're involved in the trafficking of narcotics, child pornography, terrorism or any other major crime, it's not likely to ever happen.
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