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OT or not, I would ask that if one has a preferred means of payment and does not take PayPal for example to please post that info in your original listing.

Nothing more frustrating than to declare "I'll take it" only to find out that the seller has all these stipulations on the sale. Shipping, insurance, and perhaps item location would all be helpful.

Sorry OP if this is too far OT but it's all part of the process.

I buy a ton here and am finding this thread very useful. grin

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Originally Posted by byc
OT or not, I would ask that if one has a preferred means of payment and does not take PayPal for example to please post that info in your original listing.

Nothing more frustrating than to declare "I'll take it" only to find out that the seller has all these stipulations on the sale. Shipping, insurance, and perhaps item location would all be helpful.

Sorry OP if this is too far OT but it's all part of the process.

I buy a ton here and am finding this thread very useful. grin

Thanks,

David
I'll likely redo this thread and ask Rick to re-tack and lock it to keep f*cking "Larry" and his multiple identities the f*ck out. I'll also create a suggested etiquette thread as well. These will be good tools to smooth the buying and selling process.


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I just opened a UPS account based on the sound advice of BT.
I've been on this sight long enough to know who knows. BT's "job" knowledge is among the best.


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WTF???? Brick starts a useful thread with great tips and this racist prick MOZEZ starts in with lightly veiled racist commentary.


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Right, this needs to be stopped and this poster needs to be barred permanently and right now.

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Right, this needs to be stopped and this poster needs to be barred permanently and right now.
Eh76 called it: "mozez" is another of Larry Root's multiple identities. (Oldman1942, Boss_Lady, interthem, rootmanslim, mtdorarider, etc.) He has apparently discovered the Google translator tool; he takes a posting in English, has Google translator convert it to Spanish, and then converts that back to English and posts it. He thinks he's rather clever.

I'm curious if some of the same people who attempted to defend him in the Single Shot forum will be as eager to do the same now. (I.e., MikeFletcher and Talus_in_Arizona.)


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Step one:I just signed up for the free UPS account.
Step two: Measured and weighed my shipment.
Step three: entered all pertinant info (no question of what is it)
Step four: printed the label.
Step five: dropped it off at UPS, no questions asked.....
Knowledge is power and life is once again good.....;


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Here is a question I hope can be answered here.
If I were to buy a brand new action alone from a supplier such as Brownells or others can I check in box 18 on the 4473, Other AND Handgun?
For instance, the LH Savage SA has been made by Savage as both a long gun and the Striker handgun. Since that action cannot be considered as being capable of ONLY being made into a long gun, as specified in the instructions on the 4473 for box 18 it would seem that one could use both the Other and Handgun classifications.
If this is the case, and one has all the other required permits to buy a handgun, would registering it as such establish that particular action as a handgun forevermore?
If one now has an action registered as a handgun is one free to switch stocks and barrel lengths at will to make it a handgun with a 10" barrel and a handgun stock one day and a rifle with a 24" barrel and a rifle stock the next?
Would this also apply to say a brand new Remington 700 action or any brand new bolt operated action for that matter even if that particular action manufacturer never made a handgun from it?


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Originally Posted by nsaqam
Here is a question I hope can be answered here.
If I were to buy a brand new action alone from a supplier such as Brownells or others can I check in box 18 on the 4473, Other AND Handgun?
For instance, the LH Savage SA has been made by Savage as both a long gun and the Striker handgun. Since that action cannot be considered as being capable of ONLY being made into a long gun, as specified in the instructions on the 4473 for box 18 it would seem that one could use both the Other and Handgun classifications.
If this is the case, and one has all the other required permits to buy a handgun, would registering it as such establish that particular action as a handgun forevermore?
If one now has an action registered as a handgun is one free to switch stocks and barrel lengths at will to make it a handgun with a 10" barrel and a handgun stock one day and a rifle with a 24" barrel and a rifle stock the next?
Would this also apply to say a brand new Remington 700 action or any brand new bolt operated action for that matter even if that particular action manufacturer never made a handgun from it?
Here's a ruling from the BATFE:

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf


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Thanks BT!

If I read that legalese correctly, and I'm not certain I do, I could buy a brand new LH Savage SA and on the 4473 check OTHER in box 18 and at that point I can make either a handgun or a rifle out of it.
I would appreciate any further insight you may have on this BT. Am I understanding it at all correctly?


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Originally Posted by nsaqam
Thanks BT!

If I read that legalese correctly, and I'm not certain I do, I could buy a brand new LH Savage SA and on the 4473 check OTHER in box 18 and at that point I can make either a handgun or a rifle out of it.
I would appreciate any further insight you may have on this BT. Am I understanding it at all correctly?
It's my understanding from reading that ruling and discussing this with an FFL/S.O.T. friend that the firearm would still be sold as a rifle or handgun as currently assembled. (Virgin receivers are sold as receivers; receivers and actions that were formerly rifles are still rifles.) The end user can then acquire the parts to completely reconfigure the rifle into a handgun or vice-versa provided each set of conversion parts is kept together without having stepped into NFA territory.

As long as your conversion is configuring from one type of Title I firearm to another type of Title I firearm, then you haven't crossed into the purview of the NFA.

However, if you bought a conversion to simply attach a buttstock to a handgun or to add a short barrel of less than 16-inches to a rifle, then it would appear your intent was to create an NFA weapon.


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I didn't find this but maybe it's buried in all the posts someplace.
I need a copy of sheet you need to fill out at the Post Office when you're sending a longgun through the mail.
It would be easier to have it with you than stand in line and fill it out.
Anybody have a copy they can post to make copies?


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I didn't find this but maybe it's buried in all the posts someplace.
I need a copy of sheet you need to fill out at the Post Office when you're sending a longgun through the mail.
It would be easier to have it with you than stand in line and fill it out.
Anybody have a copy they can post to make copies?
There's not any "sheet" required for sending a long gun. The DMM states that you MAY be required to verify that the long gun is unloaded prior to mailing, not SHALL verify. The difference in the language being "may" means might and "shall" means mandatory.

If you feel you need to declare a long gun to the USPS, I'd be happy to post up a standard boiler plate statement I sometimes use, but you're under no legal obligation to do so.


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BT,
If I understand correctly, two persons residing in the same state may ship firearms to each other without using a FFL desler. Is that correct?
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Originally Posted by John_Boy
BT,
If I understand correctly, two persons residing in the same state may ship firearms to each other without using a FFL desler. Is that correct?
John
With regard to federal law, that is correct. Some states also regulate intrastate private sales (like California), but by and large it is permissible to ship another resident of your state a firearm without using an FFL holder.


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Thanks for the reply Bricktop. I recently traded with another Fire member who lived in Texas also. No problems. I did use UPS however. Now crossing the Red River.....


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Originally Posted by Florida Resident
I bought a pristine pre-64 Super Grade Model 70 from a guy in Georgia. He drove to just inside the northern border of Florida to meet me for the exchange in a McDonald's parking lot. Saved the worry about damage in shipping and much of the costs.

I hope that a question about buying and selling but avoiding shipping is on topic.

Is the transfer described in the quote above a violation of Federal law, assuming that neither party has an FFL?

My reading of ATF FAQs makes me think it is a violation, despite crossing a state border to make the transfer in the purchaser's state of residency. I may be misinterpreting the FAQs, or they may be incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Florida Resident
I bought a pristine pre-64 Super Grade Model 70 from a guy in Georgia. He drove to just inside the northern border of Florida to meet me for the exchange in a McDonald's parking lot. Saved the worry about damage in shipping and much of the costs.

I hope that a question about buying and selling but avoiding shipping is on topic.

Is the transfer described in the quote above a violation of Federal law, assuming that neither party has an FFL?

My reading of ATF FAQs makes me think it is a violation, despite crossing a state border to make the transfer in the purchaser's state of residency. I may be misinterpreting the FAQs, or they may be incorrect.

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Yes, you are correct. The '68 GCA does not permit unlicensed persons who are residents of different states to transfer a firearm without going through a federal firearms licensee. However, I have never ever seen any sort of credible data that would lead me to believe that the BATFE or any U.S. Attorney's office is using any sort of resources to track down and prosecute these; there's just not a lot of funding to prosecute a private sale between two otherwise law-abiding gun owners. I won't openly suggest anyone violate the law, but use your best judgement on something like this.


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I appreciate your time and effort spent in the reply.

Your point about the impracticality of tracking such transfers is noted. However, it's easy to imagine how federal law enforcement might become interested in illegal transfers by individuals no matter how otherwise law abiding they might be.

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Originally Posted by BullShooter
However, it's easy to imagine how federal law enforcement might become interested in illegal transfers by individuals no matter how otherwise law abiding they might be.
Unless you're involved in the trafficking of narcotics, child pornography, terrorism or any other major crime, it's not likely to ever happen.


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