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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
...On the Weaver Stance, Ross never did use a proper Weaver Stance and that is one of the Reasons he did so well in IPSC. A true Weaver stance has the strong side elbow locked at full extension. Ross never locked his elbows and the increase in recoil control was a part of his success. He never was super fast from the holster but once the gun was out and running very few were in the same league.


....sorry my friend, but I think that you're confusing the Weaver with Ray Chapman's modified weaver, which straightened the strong side arm--go to page 26 here for an example:http://www.americanhandgunner.com/1976issues/AHND76.pdf
Ray lamented that it worked for Jack as he was using a 6" revolver with relatively light .38's. Quite different than Jack's and Ross' stance:
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Ross was the closest thing to Jack as anyone in the top echelon of shooters.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns

Based on what I witnessed that day it is simply not possible the hurt a 6 shot Ruger with H110 and 360gr LBT WFN with a .450 crimp to nose length.

I've talked to Ross a bit about this and believe he told me that with the 360s he got a very slight bit of bulge under the bolt notch, with the 325s there was no movement.

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"Hitting with Handguns" is another great article, and serves as a great instructional for beginners as well as more advanced shooters:

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=441&magid=31

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns

Based on what I witnessed that day it is simply not possible the hurt a 6 shot Ruger with H110 and 360gr LBT WFN with a .450 crimp to nose length.

I've talked to Ross a bit about this and believe he told me that with the 360s he got a very slight bit of bulge under the bolt notch, with the 325s there was no movement.


While I find this interesting, I have heard of more than one 6 shot super blackhawk that was blown up by shooting 5 shot high pressure 45 colt loads in the factory six shooter.

Still darned impressive what the supers will do.

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Originally Posted by 458 Lott

While I find this interesting, I have heard of more than one 6 shot super blackhawk that was blown up by shooting 5 shot high pressure 45 colt loads in the factory six shooter.

Still darned impressive what the supers will do.


Have heard of a number that were blown with heavy loads of the wrong powder. The 5 shot loading data I've seen will run 10-15,000 LB less pressure than what a case full of powder runs.

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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
� I have heard of more than one 6 shot super blackhawk that was blown up by shooting 5 shot high pressure 45 colt loads in the factory six shooter.

Still darned impressive what the supers will do.

Basic facts of testing firearms �

� What one gun will or won't withstand is a very inadequate indication of what others of the same model will withstand.

� What any one gun will tolerate for one round or so is a very inadequate indication of what that one gun will withstand as a long, steady "diet."



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Agree 100% Ken. Alloys used, tolerances, and designs can change from year to year and gun to gun.

As for the No. 13 revolver, here's the full story on its construction:

http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/news/articles/World's_Ultimate_Revolver.pdf

Reading this as a teenager helped give me "the sickness".

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To be sure Ross has never advocated 5 shot loads in six shot guns. He and Hamilton performed this test for their own edification and to determine the margin of safety in loading the six shot Ruger guns to 32,000 cup. Those loads were found to have a 100% safety margin in that it would take 60,000 cup, give or take, to blow a large frame 6 shot Ruger Bisley/Blackhawk.

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I have heard rumors of 475 linebaughs having been built by boring out six shot ruger cylinders. If the six shot 45 colt cylinders could take those overloads, then the rumors of the six shooter 475's are plausible.

H-110 is my favorite big bore heavy bullet magnum powder, top accuracy and velocity with predictable pressure build is always a good thing. I have seen it do some wierd things with light bullets in the 480 and in the 357 max, but with heavy for caliber bullets in 40-50 cal it is great stuff.

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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I have heard rumors of 475 linebaughs having been built by boring out six shot ruger cylinders. If the six shot 45 colt cylinders could take those overloads, then the rumors of the six shooter 475's are plausible.

I've seen and held one six shot 475 linebaugh gun and it had an oversized cylinder. At that, its maker didn't feel that it should really be leaned on. The cylinder on that gun was even bigger that the six shot 480 Ruger cylinder in the redhawk, which Ruger didn't feel was strong enough until they went to a different steel.

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Yes, the SRH in .480 and .454 are made of Custom 465 steel, which has an extremely high tensile & yield strength.


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