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I'm impressed that Hayward Simmons took the time to postmortem examine the wounds and the bullets, when available, and record the details of the shot, including how far the deer was when hit, how far it traveled after being hit, if not DRT.

And to tabulate and keep up with that data for 20 years is a real treasure. I'm glad Layne Simpson knew Hayward Simmons and took the time to write the article.

So many opinions in this business are anecdotal and not from reproducible data. This approach by Mr. Simmons is a breath of fresh air. This data just gives trends, as statistically valid conclusions require a much larger cohort (sample number), when observed differences are subtle and the hypothesis is loaded with confounding variables.

Stated another way, with multiple similar calibers and similar bullets used on game with different angled shots, some in bone, others not, variables are running wild. It would take a huge sampling of such events to establish hard statistical evidence. An association is much easier to establish than causation, because it requires a much lower burden of proof. Trends and associations are all we're going to get from this scenario and we're fortunate to have them.

DF

One of the better reports was compiled in Sweden on over 8000 moose. I have the results somewhere, but as I recall the cartridge, range, number of shots, and how far the animal traveled were recorded. Don't remember if anything was recorded about the bullets except maybe weight.

Anyway, it turned out there wasn't all that much difference in average results between the 6.5x55 and the .375 H&H! This always tends to piss some people off, but it was a pretty good sample!

The 257 Roberts died out because it's best at nothing. Too big for varmints and too small for big game.

For the woods I always favored the .358 Win in a Featherweight. They weigh less than the .257R's that they made then. The larger round just suits that hunting in my view.

Then when the ranges get longer the little .257R does not have the stuff like the larger rounds do. To each his own on this however.

The 99F in the picture is a .358. Thats why I don't own or want a .257R. Too weak and heavy for the woods and too weak for the open.

It may be the best at getting you to repetitively type the same BS.

and the only things that are weak are your logic and your debating skills

That is actually a post already put up... if not in THIS thread, in one in the past.

One has to wonder what the 358 Win is best at?

I'd like a 358 Win personally, but it sure seems like a "pot... meet kettle" kind of situation here.

I do think even discussing anything with him is like talking w/ my mother in law.

Believe me, there ain't no diss bigger than that, as eloquent as JB may be.

Assuming that was meant as a reply to Sav99 and not mathman?

It would fit Sav99 to a "T", wouldn't fit mathman at all...

IMHO,

DF

yes, it was meant as a reply to sav99, sorry for the confusion. I would never attempt to engage mathman in a debate!

Whiskey and Ice...its a no-win debate with him...


Poor guy doesn't know what hes missing...

please tell me you're not implying that sav99 "debates"?!?!?!

More like .... What a dolt!



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He's prolly say it's just adequate as controlled round feed would be it's only saving grace.

Nice rifle, BTW.

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Boy, and all these years I thought it was the 243 Win killed that 257 Roberts. I guess I didn't realize that the Roberts was good for nothing.

257 Rob redux. ....

I have acquired a very cool Lipsey"s Ruger #1a, 257 Roberts. Installed a Hicks accurizer and free floated the forend, and with Nosler brass, 100 gr Nosler BT bullets, and Big Game powder, it"s an inch shooter. Chrono velocity is 3100 fps. This rifle, all up, is right at 8 lbs, and is an absolute joy to shoot. I cannot wait to go forth and slay whitetails with it!

That's a beauty.

You miss read my post. I wrote that the 257R is best at nothing. That means that while it's a good cartridge and functional like many others that it's not superior at any particular task.

The 243 is in the same group in a way. It's small for big game and good for pests and target shooting. The 257R never got off the ground because it came out before good bullets were available thus it was not all that accurate.

Around 1950 Sierra adopted the sizing up principle of bullet making which made all cartridges more accurate.

Once again ipeccable logic, if the Roberts didn't get off the ground because good bullets were not available until 1960. How did the 30-06, 270, 300H&H, 7x57, etc. "get off the ground"?

Secondly, what is "weak" about a 120gr bullet at over 2900fps? Most factory 130gr 22" 270's have a MV of about that. No deer can tell the difference between a 130gr Partition launched at 3000ish fps and a 120gr Partition launched at 2950ish fps. So the 270 must be "weak", too?

The accuracy demands of the larger game cartridges were not as great. The Roberts was touted as a varmint cartridge as well and its the greater demand for that accuracy where the bullets were not up to it.

And then it falls into the area of too big for chucks and too small for big game.

If a hunter can shoot a real big game cartridge who is he showing off to when he says: "All you need is a Roberts."

So the 220 Swift, 218 Bee and 219 Zipper had access to magic bullets from outer space that were more accurate than 25 caliber bullets?

Give it up sav. You're already in a hole, stop digging