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But you have to clean Beretta's! I have both too but I perfer not to have to clean mine gun. Call me lazy.


I can tell you that if I don't clean my Benelli's, they don't run every time. I have had others tell me that they don't clean their guns and they run fine. I can tell you this, my Benelli's will not shoot like my Beretta's do clean or dirty, rain, or shine, snow or dusty.



That right there is bullchit. Anyone even remorely having an understanding of the two guns operating system knows that. I will gladly meet you half way and do a head to head comparision. I'll even give you a head up and bring my gun as is which as of right now hasn't been clean since 2010 and has somewhere in the ballpark of 10K shells thru it. Loser hands over his gun to the winner.

Whats even more funny about this is that there are cleaning kits just for the Beretta 390-391. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if there wasn't a need for special cleaning tools, then there wouldn't be a kit.

I have (303,390,391,3901) and like Beretta's and they are great shooting guns, but to say that a beretta is going to outrun a Benelli is just plain crazy. There are benefits to the Beretta's gas system but not cleaning surely isn't one of them.


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Your results are close to mine, I get around 1400-1500 rounds thru my 391's before I have a hull hang in the ejection port. A quick wipe of the gas system and I am good to go for a few hundred more rounds.
A good cleaning of the barrel piston and extension and I am set for about 1500 more rounds.

I like you feel guilty letting one run that many rounds before cleaning it.


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Originally Posted by battue
The Beretta 391 will be no longer produced in a couple years and will be replaced by the XCell 400. This comes from a high volume Beretta dealer.

Will the XCell out perform the 391? So far from around March of this year I've put approximately 4000 rounds thru mine. It has hiccuped twice. Last run was around 2000 rounds without cleaning, other than wiping it down. No malfunctions. I cleaned it the other day, just because I was starting to feel guilty. The trigger mechanism was remarkably clean. When I used to shoot a SuperX Model 1, the trigger would look like a dirty grease pit after that many rounds. The chamber area had no visible pitting. The new gas piston cleaned up quickly. Essentially doused it in Clenzoil, let it sit for 5minutes and wiped the carbon build up off. Did have to spend some time getting the carbon buildup off the inside of the barrel extension that holds the piston.

Have had 391s that wouldn't hang with this sample of one XCell for malfunctions and staying clean. Although talking with other shooters who are using them, it seems to be typical.

I think Beretta has hit a home run with the new version.

Addition: A guy I was shooting with the other day had some of the Winchester "Feather" shotshells, which are light kickers that only go 980fps. I tried them in the XCell. They functioned. The cycling was definitely slow, but function they did. However, I'm sure they wouldn't function reliably over the long haul.


Battue I know a few guys other then you shooting the XCell and all love it so far. I might have to pick one up soon.


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Downsides so far, the trigger is not all that crisp and the hammer has a long way to go to connect with the firing pin. Guessing the trigger can be improved slightly by someone who knows how, but I'm used to it. You also get used to the longer lock time rather quickly.


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Well hopefully we can find a sporting clays shoot this season we both have time to make. Then I can give yours a whirl.


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Pa state shoot is July 12-15th at the Rock. I already have room reservations. Would be a good one. Probably close to equal distance for both of us.

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I might be able to make that one. Always a fun place to shoot. Wait that was the last place we shoot together! LOL


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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
I know for a fact I have put 150 flats thru one of my Benelli's in just over a year and thats only counting clays shooting. Not a single hick-up.
Geez, I hope you take time out every few days for a sandwich.. laugh laugh

That's a lot of shootin'....


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Redneck I eat as much as I shoot. Just ask Battue!


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Originally Posted by orion03
As far as double guns go you get what you pay for in the Italian market. From my experience the lower priced guns are nothing to write home about.


Depends where you draw your line as to lower end. I have used the Beretta 68_ series for over 20 years and find them outstanding; have four at this moment in various dress. Nothing close on the market for my use.

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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
Redneck I eat as much as I shoot. Just ask Battue!


Since January, I've gone through around 40. Just ordered 20 flats today. It takes a concentrated effort to keep up. grin

Agree on the 68- series Beretta. One fellow I knew awhile back had 100,000plus out of his before he had it overhauled, and he was not all that gentle when he locked it up.

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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
I might be able to make that one. Always a fun place to shoot. Wait that was the last place we shoot together! LOL


You sure the last place wasn't Hill n Dale?


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I believe we shot Hill n Dale then Rock Mountian but I could be wrong. Damn now you know I have to go look it up on the NSCA website.


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Just checked it out. Hill n Dale was 06-05-2011 and Rock Mountain was 07-31-2011. I have the PA state shoot on my calander, will do my best to make it. Are you squaded yet?


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I put it in on Winscore 3 weeks ago, but as of today they don't have me listed. I called Rock Mountain but got the answering machine. Just myself for now and maybe one other guy, but I doubt if he will be able to get loose from the chain.

PM me your NSCA number and I will put you on with a deposit. You can always cancel if you can't make it.

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Is the other guy DAN? I hope so he is a riot.


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No, Dan is running a club in Ohio and can't get away as often.
The boy can shoot. Shot with him last month and it was a blast.


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Is that the club down south of Columbus? Yeah he is a fun guy and can shoot for sure.


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Cardinal Shooting Center. Not sure where it is actually located.


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Yeah I think that is the one down south of Columbus. Thats a sweet job for him.


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