24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,726
T
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
T
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,726
About 1/2 the weight. Some folks don't like them. I've never had an issue out of more than 30 sets.


GB1

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 434
1
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
1
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 434
Plus one for the 527...also come configured in bolt action by Charles Daly Mini-Mauser and Interarms. Previously loaded in Remington 798. I have two and both are excellent shooters. The terminal effecdt of the 7.62x39 in the Barnes load simply cannot be honestly compared to a .223 out to 150 yards which is the out limits of what most kids should ever be taking a deer anyway. This is NOT to belittle the deadliness of the .223, as I would not want to be shot by either, but if your kid can handle just a little more "push" (I dont say "kick" around the kids), go with the 7.62 and you will be pleased. You might even take it yourself when the kids dont go with you. I would not feel underarmed with it at all out to 150 yards--standard 30-30 range before the introduction of the Leverevolution.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
H
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
H
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
Curious what worked out then and now? With the 300 BLK and the 6.5 grendel added to the mix to choose from what is the preferred micro action deer cartridge? balancing between knock down capability / forgiveness & recoil sensitive conscious choice.


love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control

& Proverbs 21:19
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,274
E
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
E
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,274
I’ve got a 223 version super slick rifle I wish they made the same exact gun in 308

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
J
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
Originally Posted by Hunterapp
Curious what worked out then and now? With the 300 BLK and the 6.5 grendel added to the mix to choose from what is the preferred micro action deer cartridge? balancing between knock down capability / forgiveness & recoil sensitive conscious choice.


You can’t beat the price on cheap steel 7.62x39 ammo. I’ve got a 527 carbine coming from Buds and am looking forward to carrying it as a ranch truck fun gun.

IC B2

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
J
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
Originally Posted by PWN
I bought one in 7.62x39 when they were inexpensive for my daughter when she was 9 years old. She is very petit and now at 19 is barely 5 feet tall and weighs 95 pounds...so at 9 she was tiny. She has used that rifle to kill 5 whitetails stone dead with one shot from 25 out to 168 yards. She and her younger sister each used it to kill black bears. They both used it in Africa to kill impala and blesbok. I have killed 4 whitetails with it and all have been one shot kills. Ammo for all animals was cheap Russian bi-metal 123 grain Golden or Brown Bear loads. I have recently been shooting some Hornady Steel Case in it and they will shoot around an inch or less. It will not always fire Winchester or Remington factory soft point ammo without replacing the factory firing pin spring.

If there was ever a perfect first hunting gun for kids a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 is it. Cheap ammo to encourage practice, not picky about ammo as everything I have shot is hunting accurate, light recoil, light weight, well proportioned for kids and women, good balance-expecially with a Leupold fixed 4 power scope, durable and lethal. I prefer a 30 caliber hole and exit to a .223 any day...especially for deer body shots which is what most kids should be taking.

My brother has a full stock in 223. I like the rifle and it is very accurate. I have used it to kill a deer and seen him shot 2 bucks with the rifle. I am not impressed with .223 performance on deer and would not pick that caliber for kids.

Perry


Gotta agree with you, Perry,regarding the 223 on deer. I use the 223 most seasons and like it, but it certainly doesn’t have the knock down power or leave the blood trails of a 30 cal. IMO the 223 is best left to experienced shooters in ideal situations.

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,953
C
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
C
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,953
I have a 527 in 22Hornet. I've killed does with it during our anterless season years ago. Great little rifle, but wouldn't recommend the .22Hornet for deers. I did it for meat deers, head shots only. I have an AR15 in 6.5 Grendel I have been using the last two years and can't say enough good things about the caliber. I don't think it has much if anymore recoil than a .223 and is a great round in a truly great little rifle now that it is offered in the 527. It would be my first choice for a youngster who would never really have to worry about another deer caliber rifle as they got older. I believe the recoil would be less than the 7.62 x 39 and the accuracy is outstanding for that 6.5 caliber round.

P.S., The single set trigger is a great asset when shooting paper and sighting in, but I wouldn't recommend it in the treestand in cold weather wearing heavy gloves. Don't ask me how I know.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
H
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
H
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
The Grendel Has been my preferred deer cartridge the last 4 years or so. 1st 6.5 grendel I owned was a CZ527 that I switched the 7.62 x 39 barrel out for a SS 6.5 barrel B4 ever even shooting the 7.62 x 39. CZ offered the commercially chambered 6.5 Grendel a little over a year later. That re-barrel was a 1 in 9 twist barrel whereas the factory CZ is the more common 1 in 8 twist. For my use I can't say 1 twist rate is noticeably any better than the other.

Lots of good options out there only a few calibers, commercially chambered in the CZ 527 that I favor for deer hunting. Other calibers can and do work. Yet the 6.5 and the 30 caliber offerings are the only options that I could recommend to one and all for work inside of 200 yards or so. If a 6 mm Grendel is commercially offered I could recommend that as well.

Last edited by Hunterapp; 11/29/19.

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control

& Proverbs 21:19
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,200
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,200
CZ527 in .204 Ruger, but it isn't exactly a dedicated rifle for deer hunting for me. I felt that round and the 45 grain hornady was a bit light for this mule deer but it still worked just fine, in this instance at least.
I'd certainly feel comfortable starting someone off on smaller whitetails with a .223 Rem in the CZ527. I don't have a clue about factory loads for it though.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]



Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
J
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
T Inman,
Where did you shoot that fella? What part of the body? I have no intention of shooting deer with anything less than my 223, but I’m interested to hear the details of how that buck was killed.

Jeff

IC B3

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,200
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,200
Tight behind the shoulder, just like where I try to shoot everything else, as he stood broadside at about 60 yards.

He ran about 75 yards before topping over, which is a little longer run than I am used to seeing with that particular shot but not terrible, though he left next to no blood as the bullet didn't exit. One time deal that I don't plan to repeat for a bigger sample size. I'll stick to .224 bullets and up for deer/antelope sized critters, which I have much more confidence in.



Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 69,164
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 69,164
Originally Posted by SCGunNut
I have one of the 7.62's and can't praise it enough. It is my favorite "fun gun". It shoots crap-o surplus stuff into an inch and Lapua soft points into 3/4". I have only killed one deer with it thus far but it was a bang-flop. I suppose the .223 would be a little lighter in recoil but the 7.62 just seems like a much better deer killer for the slight difference in recoil. I don't have kids but if I did, the 7.62 would likely be what I'd put in their hands.


That’s the one I want. Buddy has one. Slick little rifle and accurate with the cheap stuff. And a heck of a lot nicer than my Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 7.62x39


"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"

~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
J
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,197
Thanks, T.
Nothing you said surprised me, but always interested in hearing about the results of such things.

Jeff

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,952
D
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
D
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,952
24 caliber and above for big game here in WA. If legal I'd pound deer with a 223 and handloads.

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 343
G
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
G
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 343
I’m using one in 6.5 Grendel & like it a great deal. Clean kill on the buck I took with it last season. For a youngster the 223 would have even less recoil.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
H
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
H
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
Only surprise for me here Is no mention of a 300 BLK. On other forms I have seen mention of a good deal of success with 125 grain NBT on up to 150 grain Flat tip 30 30 bullets. For low recoil and rifle fit I aim to have my 9 year olson give the 125 GR NBT a go inside of 50 yards or so.

223 seems to get more fan fair for one reason or another as a youth deer rifle in most crowds.

Last edited by Hunterapp; 11/30/19.

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control

& Proverbs 21:19
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,061
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,061
Originally Posted by T_Inman
CZ527 in .204 Ruger, but it isn't exactly a dedicated rifle for deer hunting for me. I felt that round and the 45 grain hornady was a bit light for this mule deer but it still worked just fine, in this instance at least.
I'd certainly feel comfortable starting someone off on smaller whitetails with a .223 Rem in the CZ527. I don't have a clue about factory loads for it though.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Here in Louisiana .204 is a no no. Guy shot a nice trophy with one, even got a write up on a local sportsman rag. When wildlife folks read it, they arrested him, took his trophy, cost him some money.

Now, if he hadn’t admitted it. Ignorance of the law can/will get you canned. Those guys have no sense of humor. If they can get ya, they will. They got his trophy, he became their trophy. .224 is the min caliber for BG in LA.

DF

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 116
H
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
H
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 116
I have the CZ 527. Very nice gun.
It cost $619 back in 2008.

I'm not a hunter but I don't see why it wouldn't be good for mid size animals.

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 3,734
J
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 3,734
I've owned several CZ 527s, including the 7.6x39. They are very nice shooting rifles, they just bug me with the magazine location. right at the center of balance for one hand carry. Anyhow, I never shot deer with any of them, just varmints, except the one in .221 Fireball. I loaded the old 50gr XLC ( Blue Darters I called them!) and killed an 80 pound shoat at 75yds. Tight behind shoulder, 50 cal exit hole. No running. Personally, I would go with the .223 and a lightweight Barnes or 64PP factory for deer. They can shoot it all year long, even as an adult. Assuming you live where .224 and up is OK. I have only used the .224 caliber in Utah and, of course, Texas. And, I agree, Game Law will pour it on you if they can!

Last edited by Jim_Knight; 12/02/19.
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
H
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
H
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,554
Last 4 years a cz 527 in 6.5 Grendel has been my go to deer rifle. I am curious how long until a factory 6mm ARCbecomes an option? A lower recoil option for my 10 year old son is of interest to me. Perhaps Ill need to purchase my first Howa Mini b4 long.

Last edited by Hunterapp; 06/06/20.

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control

& Proverbs 21:19
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

617 members (160user, 12344mag, 007FJ, 10ring1, 1936M71, 10gaugemag, 71 invisible), 2,341 guests, and 1,138 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,121
Posts18,464,584
Members73,925
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.086s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8995 MB (Peak: 1.0543 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-23 22:12:01 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS