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I only have to shoot 'em once, so, for me, the extraction and feeding is not a major factor, HUGE EDGE to the 270 for ease of ownership.

C'mon....seriously?

The 270 tapers nicely and feeds like butter from Mausers and M70's and about anything else and has similar "taper" for extraction purposes. There is no 6.5 "advantage" there.


As to everyone getting weak in the knees over "efficiency" , I always looked back over my shoulder at the "efficiency" mavens and their creations. The flaw was always the more "efficient" I got, the slower I was going,expressed as percentages, like this unto itself was some kind of virtue that I didn't give a hang about in a hunting cartridge.

Followed to its illogical conclusions, "efficiency" saved me powder, which I didn't give a hang about, but cost me velocity,and I cared about that (within reason). Give me the case with the powder capacity to deliver the velocity.

The recoil of a 270 Winchester is trifling. It wasn't designed by some "committee" to be a military round; it was designed to kill animals.

It has wiped the floor with its competitors here and elsewhere....even in Africa.How'd that happen?

My 270 feeds and extracts like perfection. Sounds like stevil needs to buy a different brand of rifle. I'm curious as to what kind of rifle he shoots??????

Yep - FACTS stevil !

I really am sick of the 6.5 SPIN.. might get RID of mine.

I've had more 270s than any other cartridge and ALL fed & extracted like butter. Try one in a Tikka T 3. !!!


Jerry

Lol the 270 camp's temperamental .....

Deeper penetration with the swede and its fwst twist heavy SD bullet selection

The 270s a glorified barrel burner game over !

Jerry

If you seriously want to sell the 6.5X55 send me a PM with info.

I have two. One is a Encore and the other is a Ruger #3, Pac Nor barrel, hand whittled stock and forend plus other goodies. The Rug3 has shot a "few" whitetails and I'm thoroughly impressed.

If you decide to sell a Sweede let me know.
I'm not interested in another 270.

Thanks
Jim

JP,

As an example in comparing load between a 260 and 6.5 Swede.......

The 6.5 Swede will push a 130 bullet around 2700 fps with 43.5 gr of H4350

The 260 will get around 2900 fps on 43.5 gr of H4350

That's a 200 fps difference on the same amount of powder. In any load Manuel the 260 will give more Velocity with an equal amount of powder.

This makes the 260 more efficient

To show a more extreme case we can compare the 308 vs a 300 win mag

The 308 with 40 ish gr of powder will push a 150 gr bullet to 3000 fps

The 300 win mag with 80 gr of powder will push a 150 gr bullet to 3350 fps


Double the powder doesn't give anywhere even close to double the velocity. The bigger the case the worse it gets. It's the law of diminishing returns and it's exactly the reason why a study of over 8000 moose in Europe were shown to have expired just as quickly when shot with a 6.5 Swede as they did when shot with a 300 win mag.

The only difference I can tell is one is full of hot air and the other isn't. Take your pick


Shod

jwall,
In the .270 what is your 400yd MPBR bullet (BC), load, and vel.?

What size "target" (6",7",8"?) do you use in the MPBR calculations?

Also what's your favorite scope on your .270..

All this .270 talk has me thinking about pulling out an NIB Brno 600 that I have had since 93 or so..
Was going to sell it NIB one day, but screw it as it fits me better than all the other bolt action rifles I own..

Thx

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The 6.5 Swede will push a 130 bullet around 2700 fps with 43.5 gr of H4350

The 260 will get around 2900 fps on 43.5 gr of H4350

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This makes the 260 more efficient

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Shod

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No, in my opinion it does not. That only makes the 260's a smaller capacity chamber, freebore included.

Your data is not comparable since you have excluded the important variable of pressure. I would agree if both were working at the same pressure, which is unlikely.

Your correct in that they are not loaded to the same pressure. The problem is if they both are loaded to the same pressure it only stands to work further AGAINST your opinion.

If it doesn't go against your opinion please explain why and how it doesn't!

Thanks






Shod

With full house loads I could never tell the difference between the 270 and 6.5x55 with similar bullet weights, regarding recoil and blast. Both will give you a headache if you shoot a lot of rounds.

Think a night of spotlighting and 100+ rounds fired from a vehicle.

In a Mauser or other long action rifle, while I'd not knock back a gift 6.5 I can't think of a reason to take one over a 270 Win.


Both good rounds, the 270 is just the big brother to the 6.5.

BS.

I can build a fast twist 270 tomorrow......8 twist? no problem. Have had 2-3 9 twist barrels. With todays bullets the high BC advantage of the 6.5 is negated.

Besides those big high BC numbers for the 6.5 are only with w few target bullets. Among hunting designs the differences aren't enough to piss on.

As to penetration, ever see what a 160 Partition from a 270 does? To everything from elk and moose, to Alaskan brown bear? A 270 will start them at 2800 fps while the 6.5 will barely make that number with a 140. Don't tell me case capacity doesn't matter. Besides penetration in BG is far more a function of bullet design and far less a function of silly SD numbers.

Get real.....


Stevil ever shoot a 270 OR a 6.5 enough to burn the barrel out? Do tell please.

Where you get confused is mistaking the 270 for a target round...to that I'd say "WGAF"? It was designed as a BG cartridge, not as a military/target cartridge.

270 shooters could care less about "targets", unless they're animals.

I bought a .270 in1972 with calf money. It was my primary hunting rifle until seven years ago when I bought a 6.5x55 - CZ 550 American. The rifles feel to be the same weight but recoil feels less in the Swede. I shoot 130 grain bullets out of both. I prefer the 6.5x55 now but don't have a reason I can think of. Maybe I was tired of the .270.

This WAS my second attempt to drop this thread and after my next answer I will be OUT!




Rug - I haven't decided but I'm fed UP with 'spin'. I have NOT found the velocity "claimed" for the Swede. I'm AT 3000fps with --120-- NOT 130 gr bullets >>BUT, I have a 22" bll not 26, so that may be part of it.

I do know one thing---I have NO interest in another 6.5X55 or 260 Rem.


Jerry

Nrut -
First a definition. MPBR to me w/270 means no hold over on the side of a DEER.

Any reasonable 'hunting' 130 bullet at/@ 3100 fps will give less drop than the depth of an 'adult' WT deer. I use IMR 7828 but other slow burners will give 3100 or more.

I have mostly 4-12 X scopes but I have 1 3-9X. I like Leupold, Nikon, & Swift brands.

My target practice is ONLY for deer hunting and 400 yds is all the distance I have to practice & hunt.

Hope this answers your ???
Good Luck

Jerry

Nrut,

I went through some of my 270 load notes. This is what I had come up with

I loaded a 130 accubond at 3112 fps
With a 200 yd zero I recorded 21" of drop at 400 yds.

In contrast to the 270 the 257 weatherby pushing a 115 gr BT at 3400 fps only has 10" of drop at 400 yds.

While the 270 (Used to be spun) as the ultimate flat shooter the truth is more modern cartridges have much greater capability in true 400 yd MPBR.

I'd use the 270 for a 300 yd MPBR rifle but in no way do I agree with the "spin" or hype that the 270 is a 400 yd MPBR rifle with a 130 gr bullet. JMO

I think you will find there is no special magic or wonder to the 270. It kills game exactly the same as other cartridges that surround it. From a logical standpoint one would do well in choosing a platform that comes with features that fulfill your intended purpose. If you like customs you can Taylor any one of a large number of rounds.

I'd not go to shooting your investment believing it's going to produce some kind of magic over ANY of the others. It's a great cartridge that works very well and so are many others.

Best of luck to you sir whatever you might do


Shod

Cripes.......


I need to tell those pronghorns and mule deer I've killed at 350-400 yards with a top of back hold, how terrible the 270 is when it comes to PBR.

Maybe a coyote or three and a train full of varmints as well.

Without even looking at a ballistics table I bet there is nothing in 6.5x55 that is as good at MPBR as a 270-130-3100. Provided the nut behind the bolt zeroes correctly.

You want to hamstring the thing with a 200 yard zero and tell me it sucks....be my guest. But I zero it 3" high at 100, 3.5"+ at 200, 2.5" low at 300, and 12"-14" low at 400 yards,depending on bullet and actual velocity.

If you know what you are doing with it solid chest hits are easy to 400 yards and to 500 yards where it is down about 30". For those interested that is about at the bottom duplex of a 6X Leupold.

On a mature full grown bull elk I will still be holding on hair at the 400 yard mark. If you know your trajectory and the vital size of your game, this is easy stuff.

I know this because i have killed at those distances with it.I have seen a considerable number of bucks killed with the 130 gr load out around the 400 yard marker.

The 130-270 load does not suck at those distances. The only better hammer I know of is a 7 Rem Mag and cartridges giving similar velocity.

For real world hunting (200 yards or less where most stuff is killed across the USA) there is no practical difference between these two or a 257 Bob, 300 Savage, 260 Rem, 308, 280, 30-06 and so on. Knowing how to get close is far more important than long range drop tables. Took my best gun Elk <20 yards and my last gun Lope <30 yards. Hunt for 5 decades with a bow .... then rifles are easy.

Where were some of these guys in the 80s?

This is NOT new ballistics!

Nrut - Bob saved You & me a PM. We know what we are talking about--we do it!


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