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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I am going to mention the study in Europe of hundreds of moose that showed virtually no difference in how far moose moved after being shot with everything from the 6.5X55 to the 375, with the same shot placement. Doubt if there would be much difference in the field between a 6.5 and a 270, given sensible bullet choice.
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RWS claims about 870 m/s with a 9.2-gram (140-grains) twin-core bullet in 6.5x55mm (29-in barrel). http://rws-munition.de/en/hunting/products/rws-centerfire-rifle-cartridges.html?cHash=8a74df38eb7cb8d28e0d1afcbeb189b9#!0/40/28 .

I think that 870 m/s = about 2854 f/s. I guess that would go about 2700 f/s in a 24-inch barrel.

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From my CZ 550 24 inch barrel


RWS 140 GR chrno 2820 FPS on average


Not bad!

Would like to replicate when I reload.

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Originally Posted by ribka
From my CZ 550 24 inch barrel


RWS 140 GR chrno 2820 FPS on average


Not bad!

Would like to replicate when I reload.



Sounds good Ribka, been thinkin about bumping mine up to an even 2800 fps with the 140 gn NPT's and my 25" barrel, but the accuracy is so good @2750 I havent bothered to try, and I believe I could easily get there with the RL-22.

But really no need for me to lean on the old Mauser, Got plenty of 300 Mags and an old BB 7STW lying about if a man needs to stretch one out a bit.

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And not to sidetrack, but just because of this discussion, I just got back from bustin' a few rocks with my little 6.5 Swede offa shootin' sticks out in the low field.

And even at a very sedate 2750 fps those 140 gn NPT's were landing with considerable authority this morning. wink

Show wuz fun. laugh

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I haven't shot many factory .270 loads in a long time but when I clocked some of them the velocity was about the same as the swede. In fact almost identical to the hot RWS and Norma loads. Not sure what you would get velocity wise now.

Ones is 121 years old and the other about 87 years old both classics. But if you set out to design the perfect deer cartridge I think it would look a lot like the swede. If you wanted the ultimate deer/antelope cartridge it would look like a .270 win.

Hows that for an excuse to own both?


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There is probably less difference between them than most people would think, I cronographed some Norma 270 and it ran 2750fps. And it works just fine.


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Originally Posted by SEdge
There is probably less difference between them than most people would think, I cronographed some Norma 270 and it ran 2750fps. And it works just fine.



Get some Blue Box Federal 130's....3102 fps from my rifle.

Do people reallyshoot factory stuff? For real? eek




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I believe the 270 certainly wins in the velocity dept, but the Swede feeds smooth as silk, eats less powder, and comes with a ton of great bullet options. You can even shoot the really long bullets without having to turn it into a single shot.

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When I worked for Volvo 30 years ago, I visited Sweden at least once a month for sales meetings. I'd frequently visit the test track in Hellared and talk to the old guys over lunch about hunting. The 6.5X55 was about all they used (one guy used an 8X57mm and another used a 30-06, all with equal results). Common fare was "elk" or, moose in our book that weighted up to 1,100 pounds and they regularly scored 1 shot kills.

Selected Volvo employees could hunt on the test track grounds to keep the moose population in check - they do wonders when hit by a car at 120mph! On the way to the track (or a cross country drive to inspect facilities), traffic would be occasionally stopped for clearing a car-moose accident; often the passengers were in the same state as the moose!

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dc223: Well I was holding them both at the store the other day and noticed,they both have that intelligent tapered shape for good feeding from a staggered box magazine.....through dozens never seen a 270 bauble in function.

I mean they are really both "Mauser"-type cartridges,coming from roughly the same time frame and meant for the same type rifle action.

I often wish I had picked up a 6.5x55 M70 FW I had a chance at...

Bullets? Yes lots of good 6.5 bullets.

But, me,I try to avoid "lots of bullets"....I just load up a 130 to 3100 and "Let's go hunting"! smile





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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
I believe the 270 certainly wins in the velocity dept, but the Swede feeds smooth as silk, eats less powder, and comes with a ton of great bullet options. You can even shoot the really long bullets without having to turn it into a single shot.



You're absolutely right the Swede does eat less powder.If one shot 500 rounds a year thru each one that one would use .72 less of a pound with the Swede than one would in the .270... cool

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You got too much free time.... wink


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Dats 4 sure...grin

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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
I believe the 270 certainly wins in the velocity dept, but the Swede feeds smooth as silk, eats less powder, and comes with a ton of great bullet options. You can even shoot the really long bullets without having to turn it into a single shot.


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Just a FYI suggestion- If you'd like see a list of MANY bullets for the .277, simply check in at Midway. I've counted the different weights & makers before but do not remember.

I can promise - there are A LOT more than there used to be.

UP TO 180 gr Woodies.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED?


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Hi djs,
Your right, in Norway the same even if, since 2ndWW and Nato, 30-06 and 308 share the hunting ground with the 6,5x55.

Difference between them 270 and 6,5x55, hunting game up to moose, bullet being same structure is only the preference of one hunter vs the other.

One can argue for 25 years on the fire, both cartridges will kill their game the same if the guy behind the stock is able to put the bullet at the same right place.
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Scratching my head:

The Ultimate trumps Perfect.... smile

Well if it's Perfect....and I'm not disagreeing...Lol.

As interesting as this thread is, I wonder in Europe, how often people grab a 270 vs. Swede given the plethora of rifles/factory ammo? Might be alot different than here in the states for the average Joe.

As sexy as modern short fat sharp shouldered rounds appear, there is little debate as to how slick feeding the old Swede and JOC runs thru mag fed rifles.

Bobin, had many a fine rifles...miss the M70 SS/FWT and K1A Rugers that moved on...both nice wood, both well under Moa, both Swedes that had less snap than a 270, but enough to know it meant business.

Now Winchester has this thing called an 1885 Low Wall....ahh forget it I'm tapped out! Lol.

Bobin, you must be a little further along the pendulum than I am, not QUITE there yet to settle on one rifle/round/load combo...oh, and optic! With Double the posts I have, you have BTDT more times over I am sure.

Good choice. I might get there someday...until then, I am going to have fun playing! Ha. We will both eat well I am sure when we have the opportunity to do our part smile

BTW, as much as I like #1 Rugers, and in 6.5x55 and 7x57, I do see a nice place for a 1A or AB in 270. Lest I ever get too bored to roll my own ammo. It'd be a good 'compromise' - ya know .277 sandwiched either side a .264 and .284...

Maybe by then Zeiss will make that new 6x42 Conquest to replace the 4x32 I had on my Swede....

Bobin, that might be your tag line w/a minor mod:

I just load up a 1303100 - and "Let's Eat!" smile

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
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There is probably less difference between them than most people would think, I cronographed some Norma 270 and it ran 2750fps. And it works just fine.



Get some Blue Box Federal 130's....3102 fps from my rifle.

Do people reallyshoot factory stuff? For real? eek


I hand load mine but a friend that doesn't was over when a buddy and I were running the chronograph. Us loonies all hand load but there are probably more hunting camps with out loonies than there are with. I know a lot of guys that are big hunters that have never used any thing but factory ammo and this is what the reputation of the 6.5x55 and 270 were built on.

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65BR,

I hunted in Norway for three days 15 years ago, and each day hunted with a different bunch of average guys on land owned by their employers. As a professional rifle loony, I made it a point to ask as my companions about their rifles. The dominant cartridge was the .308 Winchester, and most of those were a lower-priced Remington 700's much like the discontinued Model 78. I later visited a couple of gun stores in Bergen, and found a bunch of those on sale.

When hunting in the Czech Republic 20 years ago my companions had a 7x64 Mauser and a 7x57--though most were quite aware of the .30-06 I brought. One even said, "Ah, da Schpringfield! An excellent choice!" And he was one of the few wildcatters I've encountered in Europe, who had a lathe and made his own reamers.

All of which means little, since there were piles upon piles of .270 ammunition on the shelves of every sporting goods store. In fact, they resembled the piles of .243, .270, 7mm Remington Magnum, .308 and .30-06 ammo.
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Originally Posted by 65BR


...... not QUITE there yet to settle on one rifle/round/load combo...oh, and optic!

.......I might get there someday...until then, I am going to have fun playing! Ha. We will both eat well I am sure when we have the opportunity to do our part smile



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65BR: The playing is always "fun",and I have done plenty of that....but it ends when it is time to go kill animals,and for that you are right....I settled (a long time ago)on a single "concept",not so much a single round or cartridge.

Having tried other stuff myself, and seeing lots work in the hands of others(and fully acknowledging that other things "work"), I generally load a Partition bullet(or a Bitterroot),and go hunting,and it does not matter what caliber.I know what is going to happen every time I shoot an animal properly.It's going to die.

Nothing is perfect;nothing is infallible. But they come as close to being very predictable as anything else I have used or seen used. I think they are the biggest single reason that I think there is little difference between various cartridges and why it is "easy" for me to pick a single cartridge(or 2 or 3),and run with it.

The 270 could as easily be replaced by a 7x57 or 280 with a 140 Partition,a 7 mag with a 160,a 30/06 with a 165,any 300 mag with a 180,etc,etc.I have used all of these and others.The reason for this is that it works every time I try it,and the results are "boring".


If I had a 6.5x55, I would likely load a 125 or 140 gr Partition and go hunting. smile




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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