Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats McMillan Stocks vs. HS Precision Stocks

Gale was selling stocks as fast as he could make 'em,before I purchased my first.

Kelly is doing just fine now,for the same reasons.

Ergonomics are subjective,but what aint't subjective,is if you line up a herd of guys,with a herd of rifles and quiz the masses on what sucks and what don't and more importantly why.

I've yet to see a single soul,be it a green as a gourd newb or someone pretty Shooty(Technical Term),bypass the McMillan offerings and leap to the HS.

Had the tools to run the drill lotsa times and penning a 100% concise prediction prior to the fact,is like rolling today's dice on the lonnnngggg odds of stating with 100% accuracy...that the tide is gonna change.

Now I know guys who THOUGHT they liked HS(because it was all they had or used),until they made direct comparison,via physical contact and trigger time behind a coupla McMillan handles.

Ignorance is bliss..........................

I own a few of both. There certain styles of stocks I like in both. I really like the HS Model 7 stock as it fits and handles really well. I also prefer the HS Precision tactical stocks to my McMillan A-2 and A-3. On most other sporting rifle styles I prefer the McMillans. I don't have one of the latest McMillan tacticals yet and might prefer them to HS but don't know yet.
I guess in general I would rate HS stocks as better than most and McMillans are one of the very best. Since HS stocks are usually less expensive and don't usually have a waiting time listed in months like the McMillans sometimes do, there is probably a place in the world for both..........................DJ

I can afford the used HS Precision stocks. I will probably never be able to afford the Mac's.

At a used price you sure do get a heck of a nice stock. And no one can argue that they ain't rugged seeing how many are fielded in the US Army. I like the feel of the police stock on my 308. But like Stick said- I have never in my entire life even seen a McMillian up close and personal much less shot one. But for a scraping struggling hillbilly I count myself rich to have a few HS stocks. I am real happy, and I hope to get a few more along the way.

To me, McMillan stocks are a lot like tattoos. They can be done up with a lot of individuality, stings going in, takes awhile, Always say this will be the last one, and I'm soon contemplating what will be next.

I've outgrown the tattoo habit, after a dozen or so. Still got some McMillan ideas left to do.

I don't do plastic stocks... But have bedded many for a number of folks and handled quite a few in the process. Bought a number of Mickeys and sold or traded them all away. Shot a bunch of them in a bunch of fairly active recoilers.

I did not dump the plastic stocks because they did not work or did not feel perfect... but rather, just because they were not wood. I have one Mickey in hiding actually that I have not gotten rid of... I just cannot bring myself to use a plastic stock.

Anyway, I have handled a wood stock or three and shot a ton of them. The stark difference in the handling characteristics between all the Mickeys I have handled and the other plastic stocks is simply huge.
art

Art,
Do my eyes deceive me, or was that just a kinda - sorta - not real neagtive commentary on plastic stocks?

You're getting closer to coming over to the dark side, my friend.

DJ, dittos on the HS tactical, I think the palm swell is just right and the forend works great on bags or prone with a sling.

CAS
Long way of saying I have seen enough that a Mickey would be the only plastic stock I would consider at this time... But I am a long way from going there!
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I'm going to list an H.S. Precision PSS stock with accesories in the classifieds, priced to sell today, in about two minutes...............

I've had good results with the PSS and Sendero Stocks made by HS. They can be picked up as take offs for a good price and I have been satisfied with the fit and feel.

Frank D

Plastic? That's funny.

Calling a McMillan stock plastic is about as accurate a description as describing a walnut stock as cardboard.

All I can say about McMillan stocks is that I recently got to handle a few (courtesy of GeorgeS3) and could tell immediately that there is a world of difference between them and everyone else. Balance, handling, feel, weight, solidity, inletting ... McMillan wins in every category ... and besides that, they hold a very high resale value, ... they are tough as nails ... and they can be "custom made" to your liking regarding weight and color scheme.

I placed an order for one the next day, if that tells you anything... For reference, I have an HS Precision VSSF take-off stock on my .223rem right now. That stock is going to be replaced by an A5.

Now I also agree with the others that the HS stocks are way better than just about everything else, and I'm not unhappy with mine ... it's just that the difference between the McMillans vs. HS is at least equal to the difference between the HS vs. injection molded plastic.

Art and his incessant harping about his carboard stocks....

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All I can say about McMillan stocks is that I recently got to handle a few (courtesy of GeorgeS3) and could tell immediately that there is a world of difference between them and everyone else. Balance, handling, feel, weight, solidity, inletting ... McMillan wins in every category ... and besides that, they hold a very high resale value, ... they are tough as nails ... and they can be "custom made" to your liking regarding weight and color scheme.

Funny, I feel the same way about my H-S stocks. JAG

"Feelings" is emotions. "Yielding" is tangible.

I'll take tangible,to go.......................

"The aluminum bedding blocks are just an un-needed added expense, as they still need to be bedded"
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Dave Domin at HS Precision said don't bed em, just torque em to 60 inch/lbs. He was adamant, said that bedding them voids warranty. Nonetheless I had my 243 bedded, and my 308.

If you have the bedding blocks and the bedding rail, seems mechanical-good to me?

What am I missing. I like tight. What do you torque the Mc to?

I'd probably say that too if I had a bunch of money invested in something that I was trying to sell and use to differentiate myself from my competitors.

They probably use the threat of a voided warranty to dissuade users from doing it so that they can continue to hide the face that their system is inferior.

Two mass produced, machined parts, made in different places by different companies are never goingt o fit together as well as a bedding job custom fit to the specific stock and action in question.

I torque my McMillans white knuckle tight, and don't mess with them afterwards.

So you "feel" that your HS stocks have a high resale value? You "feel" that your HS stocks are customs made? You "feel" that you can have your HS stock built to any weight you want?

Hey, perception is reality, and if you want to "feel" all that, while those in the know, KNOW the opposite, have at it.

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Who do you feel is currently using HS handles on their builds,other than HS? I feel the percentage is dismal,compared to the feel that McMillan has in that arena.

I feel there are valid reasons that Top Flight Builders,share my feelings,regarding the feel of HS proper and that they feel compelled to offer alterior componetry,to award their Customers a warm feeling.

Would be curious to read your feelings,on the matter,if you feel up to it..........................