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Bad guys are notorious cowards. If you start dropping one after the other in 0.5 second intervals, you won't get past 4 before they're clawing at on anothers' azzes to get out of there as fast as possible. I think a man with a 7-shot .357 revolver, that knew how to use it, could handle anything short of a law enforcement major FU (wrong address on search warrant) or a drug gang that you've beat off in the past due to your skill, determination and just plain big balls...that has now decided to just blow your house up.

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Use 000 Buck. 00 Buck is .32 cal; 000 is .36 caliber.

Pretty big difference even though you lose 2 or 3 pellets in the count when you move up in size from 00 to 000.


Interesting MD, A bud sent me some Winchester 12 ga. #1 Buckshot, how did they get 20 copper plated .30 caliber pellets in a 2 3/4" hull?, if ya do the math on it, thats a helluva payload.

And is not equaled to my 3" magnum Remington loads of 15 pellets of .33 cal OO buck.

I can get one extra round in the shotgun with the 2 3/4 #1 buckshot.

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Weigh 'em gunner. The powder doesn't take much room at all.

Now, are you calling BS, or are you honestly curious?

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Weigh 'em gunner. The powder doesn't take much room at all.

Now, are you calling BS, or are you honestly curious?


No BS, I cant figure why the 2 3/4 length shell packs more of a punch than a 3" magnum, and why, if they have the room, dont they add more of a payload to the 3" mag hulls.

Winchester part# X12C1B, old Bud said there is no equal in 2 3/4" 12 ga for entry/self defense loads.

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I always figured if someone had been with Custer at the Little Big Horn with a Browning Auto 5, 3" mag and a few bandoleers full of 3" loaded with 41 pellets of #4 buckshot.... that battle would have come out a lot different. cool

A couple .45 auto's and a bag full of loaded clips for the close in work would have been good to have also.


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I made the decision several years ago when my children came home from the hospital. All guns but one are locked in the gun safe except my XD40 with laser..
One? Hah.. What good's that gonna do you if the 'bump in the night' happens to be at the time you're pinching a nighttime loaf? Hehehee..

Rule of thumb is to have at least one available for each window.....a rule I happen to mostly follow.. laugh laugh


I agree with that.

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There are several throughout the house, in unobtrusive places, ready. My only child is 19, and very gun savvy.

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Originally Posted by gunner500

Winchester part# X12C1B, old Bud said there is no equal in 2 3/4" 12 ga for entry/self defense loads.


I was told 30 years ago by LEO friends that 1-Buck was the way to go in the "short magnums" (2-3/4").

These guys had never shot anybody with a shotgun, but they had all seen the results (mostly civilian on civilian) of different types of shotgun shootings, and they had instructors and guest lecturers who had shot people with shotguns.

And the general agreement among them was that Number 1 Buck penetrated well on humans at self-defense range, and 20 pellets made more of a mess than 9-12 pellets of 00 Buck.

FWTHIW.

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Winchester part# X12C1B, old Bud said there is no equal in 2 3/4" 12 ga for entry/self defense loads.


I was told 30 years ago by LEO friends that 1-Buck was the way to go in the "short magnums" (2-3/4").

These guys had never shot anybody with a shotgun, but they had all seen the results (mostly civilian on civilian) of different types of shotgun shootings, and they had instructors and guest lecturers who had shot people with shotguns.

And the general agreement among them was that Number 1 Buck penetrated well on humans at self-defense range, and 20 pellets made more of a mess than 9-12 pellets of 00 Buck.

FWTHIW.


A few years ago I got a good deal on a supply of Winchester Ranger "Law Enforcement Ammunition" 12ga, 2 3/4", 12 pellets , 00 Buckshot. I'll stick with this because I doubt I'll use it up any time soon....at least I hope not.. frown


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