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Every rifle bullet wobbles a little when it leaves the muzzle, but if the rifling twist is enough for the bullet it quits wobbling very quickly. That's what's meant by the bullet "going to sleep."

However, the average shooter apparently believes the wobble is much greater than it actually is. Unless the twist is totally inadequate for stabilizing the bullet, firing a shot at a target 10 feet away results in a round hole of bullet diameter, not an oblong.

There is some VERY slight effect on ballistic coefficient due to bullet wobble (or "precession") from the muzzle, but not enough to show up even at several hundred yards, as long as the rifling twist is sufficient to really stabilize the bullet.


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Originally Posted by efw
To what extent does rate of twist effect a Whelen's ability to stabilize 250s? Does that only come into play on longer bullets than that?

I've been thinkin hard on a 1 in 14" twisted mauser that appears to be priced right by a local shop.


Hmmmmmm and what shop would that be, pray tell? grin


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My favorite has been the 225 gr TSX at 2625 fps. This is easily a 300 yard load and I do not plan on shooting further than this. Weather you choose the 225 or 250 you will have a cartridge that will take any game in NA and most plains game of Africa.


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I've used the 225 gr Accubond on a couple of bears. Worked great. My rifle also shoots the 225 gr Sierra well, and I think this would be a good deer load.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Every rifle bullet wobbles a little when it leaves the muzzle, but if the rifling twist is enough for the bullet it quits wobbling very quickly. That's what's meant by the bullet "going to sleep."

However, the average shooter apparently believes the wobble is much greater than it actually is. Unless the twist is totally inadequate for stabilizing the bullet, firing a shot at a target 10 feet away results in a round hole of bullet diameter, not an oblong.

There is some VERY slight effect on ballistic coefficient due to bullet wobble (or "precession") from the muzzle, but not enough to show up even at several hundred yards, as long as the rifling twist is sufficient to really stabilize the bullet.



I missed the point on why there are no AB's or Barnes in 250gr. I have some old Barnes FXB's in 250gr and they have provided pretty good hunting accuracy ( 1.5"/100yd groups)and on target performance over the years. Much of the reason I went to 9.3 is that I can use the premium 250gr bullets and have the option for common 286gr bullets.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
North61,

Contrary to popular belief, bullets do not become less stable further downrange. They actually become more stable, due to spinning just about as fast while air pressure on the front end of the bullet decreases due to less velocity.

Your problem with the 225 AccuBond and downrange accuracy is due to something other than the 1-16 twist.


Well I don't know. I have a very accurate 358 Norma with a Heavy 14" Douglas barrel. With 225 Sierra's there is a fairly mathematical relationship with 225 Sierras from 100-500 yards.
.5 MOA at 100 and 3-4" at 400. That's normal for me and I think the relative opening of groups at 400 yards is due to wind and sighting errors (I use a Leupold 4X scope)
The 225 A-Bonds do well at 100 and don't keep the MOA as you stretch distance. 3/4" at 100 yards and 6-10" at 400 yards.
I have shot a lot of groups at 300-400 yards. It's possible I had some fluke good groups at 100 yards with the A-Bonds. Might not be statistically valid as I have only shot 2 groups of 3 at 100 yards with the A-Bonds.



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I have several boxes of the discontinued 225 Nosler BTs that JB championed a few years back. They will be reloaded for my custom #1S Whelen as a DRT evening round.

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225 gr. Partition for big game and the 225 gr. Sierra for paper and deer sized game.

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THough I have shot nothing with my Whelen yet, I use the 250 Speer for practice, and will use it for hunting deer, and I have a load with the 250 partition for anything bigger if I get the chance to hunt Elk someday. I mayuse the partition on deer as well.

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My uncle had 5-6 Griffin and Howe rifles when I was growing up. Each year he'd take the train from NJ to Wyoming to hunt elk (4 week trip). My favorite was a G&H Mauser in 35 Whelen which I just drolled over; he promised it to me (I was about 12 at the time), but his kids got it when he died - this is as it should be, but none of them even liked guns.

I bought a Remington 700 in 35 Whelen several years ago and generally load cup and core bullets for shooting (and deer hunting). For larger game, I'd pick 250 gr. Nosler Partitions, but any premium bullet would work.

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I also lucked into several boxes of the old Nosler 225 grain BTs. They are, by far, the most accurate bullet in my Whelen. My most accurate load has been 60 grains of RL15, Federal match primers, in a Nosler case for 2730fps in a 24" tube. This load is over book max. Approach with caution. I was surprised at how tough these bullets are. I sectioned one and found 60% of the bullet is jacket.

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Originally Posted by 2muchgun
I like/load 250gr Partitions over 59gr R-15


Are you sure that's your load--that's 6 grains over high book (Nosler #6). 59 grains is the listed max load for 225gr bullets.

As for me personally, I like 250's--why else would you buy a Whelen?? Here's mine with a cow elk from 3 years ago. The bullet was a 250gr Hornady:

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I'm not a Gunwriter, but if I had a 35 Whelen I would HAVE to give that big 280 gr Swift A Frame a run out.

If it would shoot, it would make the old Colonel proud. wink

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Originally Posted by STA
IMO 225gr TSX is a good choice. If I was to hunt big bear it would be with a 250gr A-Frame.



The 225 gr TSX or North Fork isn't a bad bullet on the bigger bears either. whistle

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Originally Posted by 1B
I have several boxes of the discontinued 225 Nosler BTs that JB championed a few years back. They will be reloaded for my custom #1S Whelen as a DRT evening round.

Suggestions on a load?

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I am shooting a #1K1A in 35 Whelen. With 225's It does well with a powder grain weight in the mid/upper 50's with H4895 getting right around 2630fps.

These rifles have an extremely long throat and because of that I have found accuracy suffers with shorter bullets that cannot be seated close to the lands.


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I think it's kind of hard to make a bad choice with a 35 whelen if you follow a few basic guidelines. I don't think I would want to shoot under 225 grains at a big animal (elk, bear, moose, etc) unless it was a Barnes X bullet. I would also shy away from Sierras if I was going after a big animal as well (we've had too many core separations and wouldn't use it on anything other than a broadside deer). I've been using 250 Speers with total success and my brother has used Barnes X 225s and now Noslers Partitions without any problems. When in doubt go with a premium bullet or more bullet weight and you should be good to go.

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I took a Remington 700 CDL in 35 Whelen to South Africa this this year shooting old Speer 250 grain Spitzer over IMR 4064. Killed great.

I had a shot at a bull kudu that apparently hit an unseen branch on the way there. I shot him a second time quartering away were he dropped. Examination showed four entry wounds and one perfectly mushroomed bullet under the offside skin and two wounds to the lungs. So even using 40 year old soft bullets and the first shot breaking into at least three pieces, it still inflicted a mortal wound. I think this illustrates what is meant by "it's hard to make a bad choice".

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Best Bullet for 35 Whelen

My .35 Whelen is a M-98 with a Shilen #3 barrel with a 1-12" twist.....It shoots the 225 partition quite nicely.....and has never failed me so far. I suspect the 225 grain accubond is an equivalent bullet or possibly better.

I get very good trajectory and downrange energy from the 225 grain bullets so have no reason to want more....unless of course I wanted to use it for something a lot bigger than elk...but then I'd want a .375 H&H.

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