CLICK HERE for $200 INSTANT SAVING - ANSWER THE CHALLENGE!
Berger Hunting Bullets.

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#6912179 - 09/26/12 07:48 PM Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken?
OrangeOkie Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 6136
Loc: Oklahoma
_________________________
No man is so foolish as to desire war more than peace: for in peace sons bury their fathers, but in war fathers bury their sons. - Herodotus


Top
#6912222 - 09/26/12 07:57 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: OrangeOkie]
RickyD Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 27910
Loc: Iowa
Quote:
Iran obviously has problems and is far from perfect. But given the tidal wave of propaganda in the news which is doing everything possible to “demonize the enemy” to justify war, we think it is valuable to provide some balance and perspective.
Islam is the problem and it demonizes itself quite well with no help from propaganda, which is that this link is.

The nazi's made Jewish musicians play beautiful music while their brethern were marched to their death. This link would try to achieve the same effect, but I doubt it will work here.
_________________________
Today is the most important day in every person's life. Tomorrow is promised to no one.

Top
#6912227 - 09/26/12 07:59 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: OrangeOkie]
Scott F Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 12/28/00
Posts: 29689
Loc: Discovery Bay, WA
I guessed it right about a quarter of the way down. But I cheated, I have a BIL who grew up there. There re a lot of folks here who would like to see Iran turned into a big glass parking lot. I do not think it is that simple. I cannot see killing all the Asearian Christians who still live in Iran. Some of them are family.
_________________________
No order of society can last in which one man says to another, "You work and toil, and can earn bread, and I will eat it."

- Pierre Ceresole

Top
#6912245 - 09/26/12 08:04 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: OrangeOkie]
derby_dude Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 11/21/06
Posts: 31970
Loc: Montana, Lewis and Clark Count...
Well shiver me timbers! Who would have thought.
_________________________
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Anonymous

"Self-reliance, free thinking, and wealth is anathema to both the power of the State and the Church." Derby Dude



Top
#6912284 - 09/26/12 08:14 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: derby_dude]
Bluedreaux Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 9273
Loc: Texas
There'll sure be some pretty flowers blown up soon.
_________________________
Originally Posted By: SBTCO
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling

Top
#6912285 - 09/26/12 08:14 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: derby_dude]
Darrel Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 08/10/11
Posts: 1096
Loc: Georgia
Well, I AM nitpicking, but that's the Middle East, not Europe. Otherwise, I didn't guess it at all and had to go to the end to find out where it was!

Top
#6912289 - 09/26/12 08:16 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Bluedreaux]
Scott F Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 12/28/00
Posts: 29689
Loc: Discovery Bay, WA
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
There'll sure be some pretty flowers blown up soon.


Along with a lot of good people who hate their government.
_________________________
No order of society can last in which one man says to another, "You work and toil, and can earn bread, and I will eat it."

- Pierre Ceresole

Top
#6912304 - 09/26/12 08:19 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Darrel]
Rancho_Loco Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 12/06/04
Posts: 16884
Loc: MONTANA
Originally Posted By: Darrel
Well, I AM nitpicking, but that's the Middle East, not Europe. Otherwise, I didn't guess it at all and had to go to the end to find out where it was!


Persians have always considered themselves European, as they are not arabs..

We could overthrow that country in a couple of days time without a shot fired, but the war hawks and politicians in this country are too stupid to realize it.
_________________________
Originally Posted By: take_a_pee/Uriah/sherp/CrackaJack85


An F1 or an Indy car is DESIGNED to go fast....A "stock-car" is not.


Top
#6912315 - 09/26/12 08:22 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Rancho_Loco]
Scott F Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 12/28/00
Posts: 29689
Loc: Discovery Bay, WA
Once again we agree. Sadly I think no one in charge has a clue.
_________________________
No order of society can last in which one man says to another, "You work and toil, and can earn bread, and I will eat it."

- Pierre Ceresole

Top
#6912520 - 09/26/12 10:20 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Scott F]
JSTUART Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 06/16/07
Posts: 9220
Loc: Land of milk & honey, for some...
What tipped you off...?

Top
#6912875 - 09/27/12 06:08 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: JSTUART]
Pete E Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 11040
Loc: North Wales, UK
A few selective photo's does not prove one thing or another.

That said, the parts of Iran and Iraq that constituted the old Persia were the birth place of modern civilization.

I know a couple of Iranian families that emigrated following the over throw of the Shah and they are decent, well educated and cultured people. Although Muslims, they detest the Fundamentalist Muslims who they hold responsible for the decline of their country.

I really hate the idea of a war with Iran, but I suspect the nature of the Fundamentalist government in Iran will make it inevitable, especially from Israel's perspective.
_________________________

Men of Harlech

Top
#6912880 - 09/27/12 06:11 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Rancho_Loco]
Pete E Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 11040
Loc: North Wales, UK
Originally Posted By: Rancho_Loco
We could overthrow that country in a couple of days time without a shot fired, but the war hawks and politicians in this country are too stupid to realize it.


We probably could as we did in Iraq, but look at the mess that turned into..I for one do not want British boots on the ground. If that is unavoidable, we should go there to fight a war and then get out and forget all notions of nation building..
_________________________

Men of Harlech

Top
#6912891 - 09/27/12 06:17 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
tjm10025 Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 9974
Loc: Central IN
Originally Posted By: Pete E
... we should go there to fight a war and then get out and forget all notions of nation building..


IIRC, that was our intention in Iraq. Then somebody figured out there was a whole lot of (my) money to be made in nation-building, and things got out of hand. As they usually do.
_________________________

"The man who has fed the chicken every day throughout its life at last wrings its neck instead, showing that more refined views as to the uniformity of nature would have been useful to the chicken." - Bertrand Russell, 1912

Top
#6912915 - 09/27/12 06:27 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Scott F]
Raeford Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 01/04/12
Posts: 4442
Loc: Appalachia
Originally Posted By: Scott F
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
There'll sure be some pretty flowers blown up soon.


Along with a lot of good people who hate their government.


This^^^^^^^^
_________________________

Top
#6912926 - 09/27/12 06:32 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: tjm10025]
Pete E Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 11040
Loc: North Wales, UK
Originally Posted By: tjm10025

IIRC, that was our intention in Iraq. Then somebody figured out there was a whole lot of (my) money to be made in nation-building, and things got out of hand. As they usually do.


While undoubtedly some saw a chance to make money, I think that under international Law, there is a responsibility on the winning side to stabilize/rebuild the defeated nation and not just pull out leaving in a shambles.
_________________________

Men of Harlech

Top
#6912947 - 09/27/12 06:40 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
fish head Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 14966
Loc: Colorado front range
From my limited viewpoint, it appears as though there is some level of stability in Iraq. There not going nuts like their neighboring countries Syria and Iran.

In that respect something was accomplished. Whether it's stays that way, long term, is yet to be seen.
_________________________
Member of the Merry Band of Turdlike People

Top
#6912983 - 09/27/12 06:49 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: fish head]
fish head Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 14966
Loc: Colorado front range
The thought nation building building rubs me the wrong way but can you imagine what the ME would be like if the coalition forces had pulled out and left a power vacuum filled by a regime that was friendly to Syria and Iran?
_________________________
Member of the Merry Band of Turdlike People

Top
#6912998 - 09/27/12 06:54 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: fish head]
Pete E Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 11040
Loc: North Wales, UK
Originally Posted By: fish head
From my limited viewpoint, it appears as though there is some level of stability in Iraq. There not going nuts like their neighboring countries Syria and Iran.

In that respect something was accomplished. Whether it's stays that way, long term, is yet to be seen.


Given the amount of bombings still going on, I would not say Iraq is anywhere near stable, and certainly not as stable (oppressed?) as it was under Sadam.

I would say that's the current situation in Iran i.e stability through oppression. From the media reports it would seem the situation in Syria is a lot worse and the country is in a state of civil war.

If Assad looses, it will be interesting to see if the replacement Government is a significant improvement.

Judging how things have gone in Egypt and Libya, I doubt any new Syrian Government would be in any way more pro Western...
_________________________

Men of Harlech

Top
#6913025 - 09/27/12 07:02 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: fish head]
Pete E Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 11040
Loc: North Wales, UK
Originally Posted By: fish head
The thought nation building building rubs me the wrong way but can you imagine what the ME would be like if the coalition forces had pulled out and left a power vacuum filled by a regime that was friendly to Syria and Iran?


Although not politically correct, I suspect the only way to do business with the ME is from a position of strength.

In the case of Iraq, I would have liked us to have gone in, done the business and then withdrawn. Once the new leaders had established themselves, we should have simply told them to play ball, or we would remove them from power; a policy of using lots of "stick" and a little "carrot" if you will..
_________________________

Men of Harlech

Top
#6913032 - 09/27/12 07:04 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
fish head Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 14966
Loc: Colorado front range
I didn't say stable ... it was "some level of stability in Iraq".

wink
_________________________
Member of the Merry Band of Turdlike People

Top
#6913039 - 09/27/12 07:09 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: JSTUART]
northern_dave Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 09/29/04
Posts: 29371
Loc: Minnesota
just a few things in the very first photo that were a dead give away.

_________________________
Something clever here.


Top
#6913041 - 09/27/12 07:10 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: RickyD]
Barak Online   happy
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 16503
Loc: Idaho. Nah, but I can dream.....
Originally Posted By: RickyD
Quote:
Iran obviously has problems and is far from perfect. But given the tidal wave of propaganda in the news which is doing everything possible to “demonize the enemy” to justify war, we think it is valuable to provide some balance and perspective.
Islam is the problem

Kind of the way guns are the problem, too, huh?

The problem is people. The problem is always people. If the problem is a thing, then smart people will figure out a way around it.

So...if Muslims in Iran are your problem, and you believe they need to be killed (being apparently no different from a Muslim yourself, except in the sense that a Republican is different from a Democrat), then how are you going to kill all the Iranian Muslims without hurting all the Iranian Christians and Jews?
_________________________
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867

Top
#6913118 - 09/27/12 07:33 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Barak]
derby_dude Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 11/21/06
Posts: 31970
Loc: Montana, Lewis and Clark Count...
Originally Posted By: Barak
Originally Posted By: RickyD
Quote:
Iran obviously has problems and is far from perfect. But given the tidal wave of propaganda in the news which is doing everything possible to “demonize the enemy” to justify war, we think it is valuable to provide some balance and perspective.
Islam is the problem

Kind of the way guns are the problem, too, huh?

The problem is people. The problem is always people. If the problem is a thing, then smart people will figure out a way around it.

So...if Muslims in Iran are your problem, and you believe they need to be killed (being apparently no different from a Muslim yourself, except in the sense that a Republican is different from a Democrat), then how are you going to kill all the Iranian Muslims without hurting all the Iranian Christians and Jews?


There you go again----with logic! smile
_________________________
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Anonymous

"Self-reliance, free thinking, and wealth is anathema to both the power of the State and the Church." Derby Dude



Top
#6913315 - 09/27/12 08:37 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
tjm10025 Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 9974
Loc: Central IN
Originally Posted By: Pete E
I think that under international Law, there is a responsibility on the winning side to stabilize/rebuild the defeated nation and not just pull out leaving in a shambles.


Well, we'll just have to change that international law, won't we?
_________________________

"The man who has fed the chicken every day throughout its life at last wrings its neck instead, showing that more refined views as to the uniformity of nature would have been useful to the chicken." - Bertrand Russell, 1912

Top
#6913483 - 09/27/12 09:27 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
RufusG Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 12/16/03
Posts: 4892
Loc: In the weeds, AZ
Originally Posted By: Pete E
there is a responsibility on the winning side to stabilize/rebuild the defeated nation and not just pull out leaving in a shambles.


We prefer a third option: stabilize/rebuild leaving it in a shambles.

Top
#6913766 - 09/27/12 11:12 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: RufusG]
XL5 Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 645
Loc: East of the Sun, West of the M...
What lovely photos. The European label really had me fooled. I could have mistaken them for Germany ...in 1938 ....NAZI Germany.
_________________________
Alle Fähigkeit ist vergeblich, wenn ein Engel in Ihrem Notenloch uriniert
-- old German proverb

Top
#6913828 - 09/27/12 11:33 AM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: XL5]
big drift Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 1317
Iran in the days of the Shah had some exquisite hunting if my dads and grandfathers magazines and books are to be believed.

Iraq, Iran, don't matter unless the moderate muslims stand up for themselves and get rid of the megalomaniacs and religous zealots in charge.

I am tired of going places saving idiots from themselves then getting shited on...next time they mess with us send them a MOAB message and keep repeating until they freaking get it... let the UN put sanctions on us then maybe american jobs will come home again, use our resources for ourselves and our businesses, and make America only dependent on America.

Just my .02...

Top
#6913964 - 09/27/12 12:19 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: big drift]
RichardAustin Online   content
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 08/18/11
Posts: 2415
Loc: In Line Waiting
The Iranians took to the streets betting their life the US would send help. I doubt that risk will be run again anytime soon. It is funny seeing the jews (another link at bottom of pictures), the Iranians have historically hated the jews and sent them to the front line first of any conflict. That is why Iran has such a small jewish population.

Personally, I think barrak husain should have at least given the Iranian protesters as much support as he gave the occupy Wall-Streeters, but then again what do you expect from the guy that declares himself head of the cocksucking party.
_________________________
And then, when the country was overwhelmed with despair, the empress Michelle Antoinette said: “let them eat hope”.


Nothing is darker than a mau mau's moo moo.

Top
#6913985 - 09/27/12 12:25 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: derby_dude]
HugAJackass Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 04/09/10
Posts: 14882
Loc: AL, USA
Originally Posted By: derby_dude
Originally Posted By: Barak
Originally Posted By: RickyD
Quote:
Iran obviously has problems and is far from perfect. But given the tidal wave of propaganda in the news which is doing everything possible to “demonize the enemy” to justify war, we think it is valuable to provide some balance and perspective.
Islam is the problem

Kind of the way guns are the problem, too, huh?

The problem is people. The problem is always people. If the problem is a thing, then smart people will figure out a way around it.

So...if Muslims in Iran are your problem, and you believe they need to be killed (being apparently no different from a Muslim yourself, except in the sense that a Republican is different from a Democrat), then how are you going to kill all the Iranian Muslims without hurting all the Iranian Christians and Jews?


There you go again----with logic! smile


Except not.

Killing your problem isn't always the best way to fix your problem...
_________________________
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Turdlike, by default.

Top
#6924611 - 09/30/12 08:21 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: big drift]
XL5 Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 645
Loc: East of the Sun, West of the M...
Originally Posted By: big drift
...Iraq, Iran, don't matter unless the moderate muslims stand up for themselves and get rid of the megalomaniacs and religous zealots in charge....

14 centuries on and the Muhammedan "moderates" show precious little sign of wearying of the megalomaniacs and religious zealots always running the show.

In circles of logic and conversation, this is known as "a clue."



To paraphrase Golda Meir, there only can be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs learn to love their own children more than they hate the Jews. To date, they still seem convinced the best use of a child is as the delivery system for a suicide vest.
_________________________
Alle Fähigkeit ist vergeblich, wenn ein Engel in Ihrem Notenloch uriniert
-- old German proverb

Top
#6924750 - 09/30/12 09:14 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: XL5]
amax155 Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 10/02/03
Posts: 4483
Loc: Ellisville, Ms
I lived in Tehran from 73 thru 76. Figured it out about a 1/3 of the way down.
_________________________
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Mark Twain.

Top
#6924783 - 09/30/12 09:38 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: amax155]
slumlord Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 01/04/12
Posts: 4473
Loc: TN
nation building caused 7/16 OSB to go from $5 a sheet to $17 a sheet 2003/2004

phuck them sand norwegians
_________________________
NGAF




Top
#6926772 - 10/01/12 03:30 PM Re: Can you guess in which European country these photos were taken? [Re: Pete E]
JRaw Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 1238
Loc: VA & AK
Originally Posted By: Pete E
I think that under international Law, there is a responsibility on the winning side to stabilize/rebuild the defeated nation and not just pull out leaving in a shambles.


Actually, I don't think there is anything under international law that says you have to stay, just that if you do stay and occupy, you then have certain obligations.

I think the big misjudgement was thinking that after "cutting the head off the snake," a pro-US, democratic government would magically appear.

Top
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >


Moderator:  RickBin, SYSOP 
CLICK HERE for GREAT DEALS on SWAROVSKI OPTICS at CAMERA LAND!
Support Our Sponsors 1
Who's Online
162 registered (10generation, 2ndwind, 21, 1990stanggt, 270winchester, 257_X_50, 20 invisible), 790 Guests and 299 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Support Our Sponsors 2
CLICK HERE for HUGE SAVINGS on TAMRON LENSES at CAMERA LAND!
Forum Stats
50204 Members
72 Forums
628448 Topics
9008550 Posts

Max Online: 4366 @ 10/05/10 09:36 AM
Support Our Sponsors 3









Copyright © 2000-2014 24hourcampfire.com, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.