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Don't get me wrong, it is a neat cartridge, and I wouldn't mind building a rifle in a 6 Creedmoor or 6XC, twisted for 115s.

As a commercial cartridge.... it would have lots of looney appeal, but have my doubts on whether it would sell. I'm not exactly seeing 6.5 Creedmoors flying off the shelves around these parts, or many rifles built for it in general.

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The 6mm Creedmore is not identical to the 6XC. It is (in my opinion) a very specialized niche cartridge.

The .260 Remington is very popular with NRA High Power target shooters because the long bullets buck the wind and get sufficient velocity so they are very accurate. The Creedmore round has one or two tiny advantages, mostly regarding long bullets fed from the magazine if I recall correctly. I didn't think they were important.

I think the real purpose of the Creedmore round is to transfer money from target shooters to the Creedmore company. For hunting,it has no purpose that a .243 cannot do better. Barrel life is better but hunters usually don't shoot enough to notice the difference.







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I'd be VERY content w/a 243 8 twist factory in quality rifles.

It just does not look like anyone wants to quick twist anything other than a 223 when it comes to standard OEM rounds that have been around.

A 22/250 would also be a good one to do. All upside and no downside IMHO.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
The 6mm Creedmore is not identical to the 6XC. It is (in my opinion) a very specialized niche cartridge.

The .260 Remington is very popular with NRA High Power target shooters because the long bullets buck the wind and get sufficient velocity so they are very accurate. The Creedmore round has one or two tiny advantages, mostly regarding long bullets fed from the magazine if I recall correctly. I didn't think they were important.

I think the real purpose of the Creedmore round is to transfer money from target shooters to the Creedmore company. For hunting,it has no purpose that a .243 cannot do better. Barrel life is better but hunters usually don't shoot enough to notice the difference.



What, exactly, is the Creedmore company?

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Hmmm, someone posted some 6mm CM brass recently...so is that now a SAAMI ??

Rifles coming? Should be interesting.

Maybe a 224 Creedmoor next....fast twisted of course.


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I may be confused....I was under the impression that David Tubbs developed the 6XC from a re-formed 22-250 or 250 Savage case....and that the 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing more than the 6XC necked up to 6.5....so, a 6mm "Creedmoor" is nothing more than a 6XC.

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No confusion there...just perhaps cheaper brass, rifles and Hornady ammo, if it's coming to market.

As to the XC, love the round, always thought a 6x47 Swiss Match would be sweet, alas no viable brass source into the US.

Had the 6.5 CM been out first, Rem might never have done the 6.5-08, and had someone done a QT, fast twist 243....same w/Creedmoor, but the newer rounds are better designed no doubt, does that offset the practical benefits of the plethora of older rounds having plenty rifle/ammo/brass choices, is a shooters opinion.

Aren't the IHMSA rounds based on the Savage? Hmmm, the magic of the re-invention of the wheel....and around it goes smile

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Tanner, funny as Hornady execs told me they were doing a 270/TC back before the 6.5CM rolled out, was to push a 120 at the WCF/130 speeds. Seems like they could have capitalized on the 270 name, short action craze, and non-mag recoil, and avoided the 'what is a 6.5' by many not in the know.

Hunz - not sure if it would be exact or not, but brass surely cheaper than XC brass. And Ruger could do a variety of sporter and varmint/target models. I'd seriously consider one, perhaps over a 6.5 as the 260 does all I need that cal.


The 243 fits in a short action with Amaxs and VLDs, so they aren't gaining anything there. That was really was the big selling point of the 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 260.

Probably less than 1 grain difference in case capacity between the 6 Creedmoor and 243. A little more neck length, but that mostly just matters in cyberspace.

What would it do that a 243 Win would not?


"What would it do that a 243 Win would not?"

Probably sell to the rifle loonies for a year or so, then fade into oblivion.

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I'd like a 6mm TC. They could neck down the 30TC. That would be about perfect, assuming a 1-12" twist.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I'd like a 6mm TC. They could neck down the 30TC. That would be about perfect, assuming a 1-12" twist.


brass would be easy to make. start with a .250 sav hull, run it through a 6.5 creed die, run it through a .30 TC die, then run it through a 6mm TC die. trim to length and fireform.


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Originally Posted by djs

"What would it do that a 243 Win would not?"

Probably sell to the rifle loonies for a year or so, then fade into oblivion.


They only thing I'd add to that is "FEW" rifle loonies. We are real but we are NOT the majority of the buying public.


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Cheaper and easier if Ruger would twist some .243 1-8"s in their Hawkeyes. Problem solved. Or better yet 6mm Remingtons!

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Moses, proper twist rate for bullets thru 105-108 is the primary driver behind a 6 CM IMHO - that said, IF the mfg. would do 8 twist on all 22, 6mm and 6.5mm it allow owners to run the gamut.

I don't have any confidence the industry will change twist rates over the conventional ones that have been used for decades.

Alot to be admired about an 8 twist 243 given plethora of ammo/brass...

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I know nothing about the machine that cuts the bore/rifling in a barrel; but it seems it would not take much of an adjustment to change it from a (1-10"/1-9") to a 1-8". The average buyer would never know and the gun enthusiast would be more inclined to buy.

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Most of the big boys rifle in a hammer forge, and those mandrels are twist specific and they ain't cheap.
Still the twist could be chenged when the old mandrel wears out.


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Can't see Promoting a new round when you can't keep up with the demand for existing ones

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Savage chose to chamber 250, 260, 6.5 Creedmoor. It's doable.

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The shelves best be filled with all the staples before they come up with another niche cartridge. Otherwise I'm gonna drive down to Nebraska with a case of gin, a hard on, and a heart filled with vengeance.



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True. Well the AR mfg went faster spin, too bad the major mfg haven't done it in all 22s, 6mms, etc. No doubt a good 270 and 150 Partitions would fill up an ark....as many others. Just like lower recoil rifles that 'Get R Done' and preferable with slick bullets for reach when needed.

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Originally Posted by 65BR
True. Well the AR mfg went faster spin, too bad the major mfg haven't done it in all 22s, 6mms, etc. No doubt a good 270 and 150 Partitions would fill up an ark....as many others. Just like lower recoil rifles that 'Get R Done' and preferable with slick bullets for reach when needed.


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