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Like I said above, I would LOVE to see a wholesale removal of all incumbents. But I was under the impression that there were several Democrat senators that were being investigated.....I can't find a list of any (except for Delay) that is under investigation.....Repubs or Democrats.....nor any list that "tells all" that Abramoff is supposed to provide as part of his plea deal.

And NO.....I do not expect anyone to drop what they are doing to accommodate me. I do, however, expect basic civility. And when a popular moron starts something like Bart is trying to start, I have found, on most forums, that the "regulars" tend to fall in line......so based on one gutless idiots response, I now expect that every post I make from here on out will be met with insults and derision. And why? because the bigoted sycophant has "read" what I have written on other threads and he equates disagreement with his own narrow perspective as being "liberal."

I'm as relax'd as my old def pug dog.
My deal is that I don't like people that
stir up [bleep] just because...Especially LIBERALS!!!
There,I said it...LIBERALS SUCK!!! Their philosophy and
history in this country cost all of us alot of money that shouldn't have ever been spent...
I'm gonna stand by everything that I've said tonight...And I feel good saying it!
Bart

I'm speechless.............................................................
Bart

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Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. Sometimes a method of dealing with stress or frustration, it results in the person attacking other people in subtle, indirect, and seemingly passive ways. It can manifest itself as resentment, stubbornness, procrastination, sullenness, or intentional failure at doing requested tasks. For example, someone who is passive-aggressive might take so long to get ready for a party they don't wish to attend that the party is nearly over by the time they arrive.

Someone who is passive-aggressive will typically not confront others directly about problems, but instead will attempt to undermine their confidence or their success through comments and actions which, if challenged, can be explained away innocently so as not to place blame on the passive-aggressive person.

Some passive-aggressive behavior may result from society's conditioning of individuals; direct confrontation can lead to harmful consequences. For example, confronting one's manager may lead to the loss of opportunities, such as being passed over for a promotion or even losing one's job.

Often passive-aggressive behavior manifests itself in individuals who view themselves as "peaceful". These individuals feel that expressing their anger through passive-aggressive behavior is morally favorable to direct confrontation.

The lack of repercussions resulting from passive-aggressive behavior can lead to an unchecked continual attack, albeit passive, on one's acquaintances.





The above is the long version. Below is the part of it I was thinking of:

"attacking other people in subtle, indirect, and seemingly passive ways."

If I'm wrong I'm sorry. If my hunch is correct others here will pick up on it FAST! Please prove me wrong. Really, I hope I am.
Past my bedtime. Good night all.

From what I've seen from you in this thread, that represents a huge improvement

Good, now if you would stay that way, your popularity would increase, as would peoples respect for you................ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Sorry, but I don't recognize any of those symptoms in me at this time. Usually when people want me to do something that I don't want to do I simply tell them to FO. And part of the definition seems to be where if you deny it, you are guilty of it.....sort of a Catch 22 situation, isn't it? So, I don't know quite how to respond.

However, I do know how to respond to people that try to troll elsewhere. First, I give people the benefit of the doubt. If they ask a question that I know the answer to I answer. If I don't I don't. One thing I do not do is start making absurd accusations without some basis for it........and making assumptions is not much of a basis.

And those would be based on what....20 or 30 posts? Mostly dealing with what I consider a violation of the constitution by the administration and the fact that I believe that if a President engages in criminal behavior he should be impeached and then tried as the criminal he has become. One or two on an absurd letter to europe.....mostly because it was simplistic and rhetorical nonsense. And a couple or more elsewhere when the thread quoted some talking head and I commented about it.........I did, however, until now, address ideas and not people. I would have addressed Bart's ideas except he doesn't have any.....and as HE chose to lump me in with "liberals" and make out to be some sort of bad guy, I responded in kind to his idiocy.

For the record, yes, there are issues in which I am pretty liberal. There are even more in which I am very conservative. There are quite a few that are centrist. The majority, however are not found within labels such as that.

I suggested lawyers should not be legislators or judges. Is that liberal or conservative? I think it is pragmatic as I find it a conflict of interest. A person should not be trained in a field, given the responsibility to create the rules of that field, then be allowed to interpret those rules.....and to do so with total disregard to community standards or input.

I think education should be free to all, for as long as you can pass the course. Failing a course should entail a financial cost to the student. Further, if education is free, then there is no reason to not have a job.....ever......so if you are caught stealing more than two times ( give a guy a second chance) then rather than putting them in prison, they should be executed......is that liberal or conservative? Again, it is pragmatic. Prisons are bankrupting state budgets. We need to empty them.....either let them go or shoot them.....just don't put a man in a cage and call it humane.

Every politician should serve only one term. His salary should be the median for his district. His assets should be put into a trust where they are NOT invested, but provided 10% growth per year while he is in office. He should be audited at the end of his term and if he cannot account for all the money in his account, it should be forfeited.

ANY politician, charged with a crime, should be suspended from office at the date of the filing of the charge, should go to trial within 60 days, at which time he is reinstated or removed. Is this conservative? liberal?

ALL drugs should be legal for those over 21 years old. Committing a crime while high (including drunk) should be a capital offense. Providing drugs to a minor should be a capital offense. Selling drugs without a permit should be a mandatory capital offense. You are grown up...it is not my job to tell you how to treat your body. I can and will demand you treat others with respect and that if you imperil a child you will die.

So do NOT put me in your childish "boxes." I am NOT liberal. I am NOT conservative. And if I don't phrase things in your politically correct way (and I have seen, on this forum, politically correct is to recite the mantra of the conservative shepherds) then go sc*** yourself.....don't read what I write, don't respond when I ask a question.....if you think I am trolling, then don't hit my bait. Obviously, if a troll gets no response he will go somewhere where he CAN get a response.....just like fishing...no strikes at one spot you find another one to fish.

So am I trolling? am I being passive aggressive or whatever that is? Respond in an intelligent manner or not at all.....see if I hang out.............and see if I am afraid of confrontation.........unlike pi**ants like Bart, I have hard beliefs and if I post, it is not to assault the poster, but to examine his views......and if the post is a regurgitation of the latest talking point from a talk show host, I may tell you about how simplistic it is.

Todays problems are not simplistic. You cannot pass a law and make it better. but intelligent people, discussing issues, can and will make a difference...but respect must be the rule.......and gutless wimps like Bart do not warrant respect.

WOW!!!
Is this it?...Wasted keyboard time...gramps...
2ndwind pegged you...
Want some more?
Keep talk'n
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Bart

Bart
I am having trouble figuring out where you got the idea Goodpasture was extolling Dean's virtues... The outright hostile attack is something that just seems very out of line for what was posted.

I do not have a visual on the politics of Goodpasture that would support such a blanket statement about him. I did not look for support for your attack on other threads, but here I did not see it.
art

Do you ever make sense? Do you have any form of personal beliefs or do you simply repeat what you heard on talk radio today?

I think you mised Bart's point? Most of us do not wish
to engage in conversation with a LIBERAL!

You guys are so screwed up in the head, and you aren''t going to change your minds anyway. So why screw up a good forum?

Take the LIBERAL CRAP elsewhere! Only liberals and
compromisers, which are really closet liberals anyway, want to hear the liberal point of view......so much for dialog! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

We simply don't want hear anything from your side of the isle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> You guys are like women pushing their way into
an all male, men's club!

[bleep]!!!

This is just stupid.

Goodpasture asked for info on which Dems got money, so as to satisfy for his own mind that Dean is full of it again.

And THIS results? WTF!!!

Okay, so Bart and 280Don don't want to converse with anyone they perceive as a liberal. Fine, then don't. I've converse with both of you fellas before, but this just has me baffled...

VA,

I guess you haven't been listening close enough. I've
repeatedly said I view LIBERALS as the ENEMY. even more so
than someone in the Chinese army!


What part about ENEMY don't you understand? I've repeatedly
said I don't consider them to be misguided americans. Hell,
I don't see them as americans at all?

They are my ENEMIES! And that, is not a figure of speech. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I'm not a philosopher, nor a diplomat,
so I'd rather engage liberals on a bloody battlefield!

280, my friend;

Define "liberal", please. You know that I wouldn't ask this as a trap, only as a sincere question.

I know what you are saying, and where your heart lies, but I disagree, in part, with your focus.

My definition of LIBERAL is quite simple. I ask myself one
simple question......"Is this democratic or socialistic?"

I believe the constitution to be very simple in it's intent.
A free man can do whatever he wants whenever he wants as
long as it does not destroy the rights of a fellow american.

The basic tenet of the war of independence was to afford free men the right to enjoy the fruits of their own labor, and not
have it taken away by a king (or government). Does anyone
remember why they held the "Boston Tea Party"?

When I hear things like, social contract, entitlement programs,
foreign aid, itc., I see justification for CIVIL WAR!

My personal view is based on a continuing FACT. Only 6%
of the people in america fought to make us free from king
George. The other 94% were leeches and hangers on. I
believe the numbers have not changed much, If it
came right down to it only 6% would fight to keep our country
ameican, the rest are leeches upon the freedom tree!

In short, my america is dead. And I no longer care if the
present PC one survives or not! I view our governmental
bodies as king George, and 94% of americans as collaboraters!

Is that plain enough? I'm patiently waiting for the "second" shot heard around the world, but alas, I don't think americans
have the intestinal fortitude for freedom anymore!

Dialog my azz, break out the dueling pistols!

280;

Then you, rightly, object not only to liberals, but also to socialists, fascists, communists, and essentially anything that is not classically libertarian (small "l", not large "L"). Which is exactly what I thought you'd say.

You and I, as well as many others, object to any that would undermine the Constitution, in any form or fashion, whether it be to create a communist/socialist "liberal" state, or a totalitarian/fascist "neo-conservative" state. I call these "enemies" (to borrow your term) of the Constitution and America by different, and varied, terms. You just term them all "liberals".

Am I correct?

Yes sir,

Hammer right smack on the nail head! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Consequently,
I don't fit in many places! I really don't think I fit in here
at the campfire either?

I have read Bart's posts over the years and I like to read them and he is a local friend here.

You are the new guy and you have posted some stuff I disagreed with.

Nonetheless I think your original question has merit and the attack was unwarranted. Nonetheless I like Bart.

I like discussion of facts. If liberals, or conservatives or independents provide accurate facts or request accurate facts then I like those debates.

I also like to interact with people who do not agree with me because then I larn something.

I don't trust the dem's or the repub's either, and you would be hard pressed to put many a conservative into a defined conservative pigeon hole these days... especially the current pres, and many a rep and senator.

Oh well...

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Interesting idea about drugs and cleaning out prisons!

I hope I never get framed twice for pilfering when you are sheriff!

280;

I thought so.

Check your PMs.

Good to know you. I like people who can stand up for a friend and be honest at the same time. That is what I call being a man with all the respect that brings with it. Unfortuantely I don't have your history with the bigot, so I can only respond to what he presents here and now. So far, it isn't a very flattering portrait.


You should get me going on a soap box sometime..........

I have always thought that it was stupid to have little kids learn dodgeball in school, like I did. I would much rather see elementary kids learn kickboxing in elementary school and small arms in middle and high school. If every adult walking down the street was a blackbelt and carried, how much street crime would there be? And with that kind of background, how many would be that obese? Seems to me that that simple change in education orientation would do more to wipe out major crime problems as well as major health issues than all the government and private enterprise efforts since WWII.

Dixie,

I think I know where you are coming from? But, a new guy?

OK, Bart has 300 more posts than me? And I think you might
have my views mistaken for some one else. I don't have
a clue what you mean about "drugs" and "cleaning out prisons"?

You know, I too don't like republicans. But most of the 6%
I respect here at the campfire can't decide whether to
befriend, debate, or how to view liberals, let alone seem
ready to discuss fascists!

I'm not a complex guy at all. I take the view that women
like to "talk" everything to death, and men "do" what they
really believe.

A wise Jew once said, "He who is not for me is against me".
Since I'm so new, then I'll make it plain for everyone.

Briscoe, BCBrian, Goodpasture = liberals (There are many more!) SteveNO = fascist (There are many more)

Barak = right on! With one exception. He is highly
intellegent and prone to debate. I, on the other hand am
relatively ignorant, and thus more prone to combat than debate!

Most of the rest are either collaboraters or "Tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine". (Easily swayed by stupid azz
arguements, and don't really know what they believe.)

These guys have nothing I want to learn. I rather engage them in a duel than a debate!