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Originally Posted by deflave
I'm not saying it doesn't. But the Remington does just as well when loaded to Fireball speeds and it has been around since the 70's. Componenets aren't going anywhere.



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No argument here. I have two 17Rem's. Had at least one for the last 20yrs, but like I said "for my needs the FB's plenty". Probably has as much to do with that particular rifle as any thing though.

As far as components go, I suspect Remmy will maks a batch of 17FB brass now and then. No different than what they do with 221FB and 17Rem nowdays, and lets face it, they don't chamber rifles for any of those cartriges anymore so they're all subject to brass shortages.
Fortunatly Remmy has nothing to do with the rest of the "components".

Reguardless of what Remmy does, I'll keep shooting both and make brass if I have to.
Screw Remmy.

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Lovin' my 17 FB. 'Twas a MIV before i had to set the barrel back. It was my go-to fur killer for a number of years, and the greatest PD cartridge of all time, IMO. Fortunately i have enough brass for my FB and 17 Rems. to last a lifetime--

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Originally Posted by castafly
I've been thinking about getting a 17 fireball recently and started looking for a gun. Unfortunately, none of the major manufacturers seem to be making them currently. Even Remington and CZ don't seem to offer the caliber in their current lineup. And brass is currently impossible to find. I don't want to buy a gun that is going to be a dinosaur. Anyone have any insight or opinions?


It's been around since long before I ever started shooting it in the mid 80's, and it'll be around long after I'm gone. Called the Mach IV, very slightly different. With a factory gun in 17FB, it'll have sloppy factory chamber and long leade.....I wouldn't mess with one of those things. Get a MIV you can have 0 freebore and any neck dia. Forming brass is easy. This one's always gonna be there.

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I had Pac-Nor morph a 221 into a 17FB.
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Wow, I for a second I thought my buddy had joined the Campfire. He did almost the exact same thing with his CZ 221 (to 17 Mach IV though)..............exclusively to hunt Bobs. He had Dan Dowling screw the barrel.


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sscoyote,

WTF are you feeding those PD's?


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Yeah, they are pretty fat considering there's no grass in sight. Hey wait a minute.........


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Yeah, that's it. Rancher told me to shoot those 5 or 6 as they were eating into his profits.

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Originally Posted by 222Rem

Wow, I for a second I thought my buddy had joined the Campfire. He did almost the exact same thing with his CZ 221 (to 17 Mach IV though)..............exclusively to hunt Bobs. He had Dan Dowling screw the barrel.


Your buddy sounds like a very wise man.
Maybe I'll run into him on one of my Rock Chuck poaching forays over in OR.
Tell him to watch for a handsom young stud with a Bad-Ass CZ. cool
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Originally Posted by castafly
I've been thinking about getting a 17 fireball recently and started looking for a gun. Unfortunately, none of the major manufacturers seem to be making them currently. Even Remington and CZ don't seem to offer the caliber in their current lineup. And brass is currently impossible to find. I don't want to buy a gun that is going to be a dinosaur. Anyone have any insight or opinions?


CZ never did offer a factory offering and that has been a shame. Given the factory ammo or even brass support or more accurately lack thereof. Seems CZ may have done well to let this fine chambering alone.

Unless the Likes of Hornady Howa & CZ choose to breathe new life back into this caliber she is dead to all except the reloader.

I as a reloader will do my part to keep this caliber on life support in the mean time. I fear the likes of the 17HH has been one more strike agenst the 17 Fireball. Lets face it if all you wish to shoot is the 20 grain bullets from your 17 centerfire then the 17 HH satisfies those needs quite well. From my perspective the 17 FB shines her best with 25 & 30 grain bullets.

For the Remington company who did bring this caliber out with the 1 in 9 twist I am thankful. For the Remington company who chose to drop new firearms in this caliber as well as ammo I am disappointed. If you are not going to offer the caliber the promotion she deserves allow the torch to be passed on. Would love to see this caliber given a revival. Surprise me:)

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Find you a .17 Remington..That Fireball thing is just a poser...


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No doubt 17 Remington is more readily available. Yet as a reloader with a good stash of 17 Fireball components & firearms I seem to prefer the substantialy more efficient 17 FB. I am of the opinion that the Fireball case capacity is near Ideal for 25 & 30 grain projectiles. Nothing not to like about burning 15 to 40 percent less propellant, depending on your preferred propellant.

I am more than willing to give up 5 percent velocity or so to reap the efficiency the 17 Fireball offers. To my understanding when generally all else is equal less propellant adds up to longer barrel life.

I was surprised to see Big Green is offering the 17 Fireball ammo again. Only issue from my prospective is the 20 grain bullet choice. I am sure many will be pleased with the 20 grain offering. & others will be happy to find any source of brass.

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Hunterapp: Back in 1995 I had a custom Rifle built on a Remington 700 action. I chose the 17 Mach IV cartridge for it. This Rifle has a 26 1/2" heavy stainless Shilen barrel on it with 1 in 10" twist.
The 17 Mach IV is a virtual twin of the later to come along 17 Remington Fireball - this custom Rifle has been supremely accurate from day one with the 25 grain Berger M.E.F. (Maximum Expansion Factor) bullets.
Then in 2,007 I bought a fancy Remington 700 Varmint Rifle (Varmint Synthetic Fluted) in 17 Remington Fireball. I mounted a Nikon Monarch 6.5x20 scope on it and using the same bullet, same powder (W 748), same primers (Federal 205 Match) and Remington 17 Fireball brass I was nearly able to duplicate the superb accuracy I got with the custom Rifle I had built.
I did begin barrel break-in and sight-in with the factory Remington 20 grain Accu-Tip bullets - all groupings (5 shots at 100 yards) were just at and just over .500" with this factory ammo!
So that factory 20 grain ammo IS (was!) pleasingly accurate but again my 25 grain Berger bullet handloads in the 17 Fireball were quite impressively accurate.
You are right the efficiency of the 17 Remington Fireball is impressive and worthy of consideration for the Colony Varmint shooter as well as the "fur conscious" predator Hunter.
I have killed two Coyotes in excess of 300 yards (each with one shot!) using the 17 Fireball and the 25 grain bullets.
Haven't tried any 30 grainers as yet.
And indeed I am looking to add to my "cache" of 17 Remington Fireball brass.
Good news for a change from Remington.
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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Hunterapp: Back in 1995 I had a custom Rifle built on a Remington 700 action. I chose the 17 Mach IV cartridge for it. This Rifle has a 26 1/2" heavy stainless Shilen barrel on it with 1 in 10" twist.
The 17 Mach IV is a virtual twin of the later to come along 17 Remington Fireball - this custom Rifle has been supremely accurate from day one with the 25 grain Berger M.E.F. (Maximum Expansion Factor) bullets.
Then in 2,007 I bought a fancy Remington 700 Varmint Rifle (Varmint Synthetic Fluted) in 17 Remington Fireball. I mounted a Nikon Monarch 6.5x20 scope on it and using the same bullet, same powder (W 748), same primers (Federal 205 Match) and Remington 17 Fireball brass I was nearly able to duplicate the superb accuracy I got with the custom Rifle I had built.

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1 major diffrence between your Mach IV and your Fireball is the rifling twist rate. If you happened upon the 30 grain 17 cal bullets today I highly doubt the 1 in 10 twist rate would stabilize the longer 30 grain bullet and the 25 grain V max will likely suffer as well. The 17 FB w her 1 in 9 twist does well with the longer bullets. When the 30 grain bullets were more readily available and affordable was not uncommon for guys to be taking Coyotes cleanly from either the 17 FB or 17 REM big brother out past 300 yards.

Spoke to one avid coyote hunter who relied on the 17 Remington with 30 grain Starkeys. Nagel has those dies today. His pet load in the bigger 17Rem with the 30 grain bullet was just over 3600 FPS. This is right in line with my pet load w either IMR 8208 or Benchmark in the 17 FB

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Originally Posted by Diablero
Find you a .17 Remington..That Fireball thing is just a poser...


You don't have a clue.

And that's from a guy who own's two 17Rem's and has been shooting them for 40+ years..

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Find you a .17 Remington..That Fireball thing is just a poser...


You don't have a clue.

And that's from a guy who own's two 17Rem's and has been shooting them for 40+ years..


Oh but I do have a clue or I wouldn't have said what I said. Your shooting and my killing is 2 different things. I've killed numerous and I mean NUMEROUS coyotes, fox and bobcats with the .17 Rem... My brother bought a FB when they first hit the market. Just about every coyote he shot (not all) he had a runner and what I mean by runner is a couple he didn't even find and several that expired after running about a 100 yards. His rifle was loaded with Hornady 25 grainers just like mine but lacking the "assss" mine had. I had better penetration with the 17 Rem than he did with the FB...After this happening a few times he found that rifle a new home and got a 17 Rem...Now why would I want to downgrade to that lol...What advantage??? I don't want to hear the bullshiiteee about powder efficiency either...If you can't afford the powder then you don't need to be shooting anything. This is the real world I live in. I hope you get another 40 years of your "shooting". I'll stick to my killing predators and selling my pelts. Sounds like to me that you are the one that doesn't have a clue when it comes to my world...Like I said, the 17 FB is just a POSER and this is just my opinion just like you have yours...Good luck to ya....


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What ever:) This has the making for a real Pizzing contest. Sounds like in the case of your brothers 17 FB either the accuracy of the shooter, firearm or just the load choice in question was the issue at hand. Otherwise the shot choice was was either poorly chosen or at least placed poorly. Curious how your brothers experiences changed after stepping up to the 17 Remington?

Like to say I am sorry yet I call BS and contend that in the right hands at 300 yards the 17 FB will do anything the 17 REM will do at 350 yards. If you prefer the big brother more power to you. I prefer the 17 Fireball and do not feel handicapped in any noteworthy way. Neither of us are wrong to have our preferences. From here Ill just smile and say I am truly curious what the real core issue was with your brothers unfortunate experience. Ill rest confident the chambering choice was not the core issue Though I can't rule out workmanship on the barrel!

There is a point of diminishing returns and I have been very satisfied setteling With the little brother of the 17 Rem / 17 Fireball.

Shoot straight:)

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I kill coyotes w/o much fuss to 300yds with factory loaded 25gr HP's in the .17 Hornet. I'd say the brother needs a shooting lesson...........


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Originally Posted by xverminator
I'd say the brother needs a shooting lesson...........


Lol...Now you're the one that doesn't have a clue.


Originally Posted by Hunterapp
From here Ill just smile and say I am truly curious what the real core issue was with your brothers unfortunate experience. Ill rest confident the chambering choice was not the core issue Though I can't rule out workmanship on the barrel!



You know Hunterapp I also still smile about this myself. He bought the FB in either 2007 or 2008. Don't really remember but it was it was one of the first Fireball's to hit this end of the state. We done a little load development for it but not much. All we tried was the 25 grain Hornady even though the word was that the FB was more suitable for the 20 grain load. Our chances of calling in a coyote in this area is the same as calling in a fox so 20 grainers was a no go. The accuracy of the FB was with the load we settled on seemed to be moa @ 100. Didn't notice any keyholes from my memory but still not as tight as the 17 Rem I have....Anyway we didn't really get down to the heart of the matter. He called me one day and said I sold my FB and picked up a 17 Rem and do you think we can get it sighted in before dark so we can go coyote hunting tonight? It could have been the barrel, really don't know. I still wonder about that rifle to this day. You know as well as I do once you get a bad taste for something it's damn near impossible to take another bite. Like I said earlier. That was my experience with the FB and my last. I'm sure all FB's are not jinxed as that one was whatever the problem. I'll stick with my 17 Rem, (the hand of God) because my rifle hits with authority and dead is dead. Happy hunting and be SAFE!


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Also to all 17 centerfire shooters. There is a new member on here "ct17" that is making the new old Kindler Gold's. 17 shooters no matter what flavor you shoot our bullet choice is VERY limited these days. I'm thinking we should give him a chance and our support.


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I put his number in my phone and will get some 30's from him when my rifle is finished. 17-22/250


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