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You don't have one so, you obviously NEED one. RIGHT?


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Not to hijack this thread but has anyone any experience with the Williams receiver sight for the blr/bar? Any info regarding front sight height and overall impressions of this sight would be greatly appreciated.

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Ok, a couple questions for guys who shoot the 81. Does the barrel band seem to negatively affect accuracy? Also, much less important, does the straight stock increase felt recoil much?

I keep going back to the store and handling an 81 in 358win. I's lightly used for under $600. I'm really leaning toward the 308, but something about the 358 round gets the loony in me all jazzed up.

This rifle will be to fill the gap between my 454 model 92 and my 300wsm model 70.

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The barrel band does not seem to effectaccuracy in my .358. It will put 3 225 Sierras into an inch at 100 yards, & 3 225 ParLettitions into 1 1/4 at the same distance. Let it cool a bit after 3 rounds.

If the recoil is bothersome, you can easily fit an after market pad.

The pistol grip stock would probably give you a bit more to hold onto, but really isn't necessary IMO.

A .358 will normally give you a complete pass through, open up a large wound channel, & is a lot flatter than you might expect.

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Originally Posted by FNG
Ok, a couple questions for guys who shoot the 81. Does the barrel band seem to negatively affect accuracy? Also, much less important, does the straight stock increase felt recoil much?

I keep going back to the store and handling an 81 in 358win. I's lightly used for under $600. I'm really leaning toward the 308, but something about the 358 round gets the loony in me all jazzed up.

This rifle will be to fill the gap between my 454 model 92 and my 300wsm model 70.


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Originally Posted by FNG
Ok, a couple questions for guys who shoot the 81. Does the barrel band seem to negatively affect accuracy? Also, much less important, does the straight stock increase felt recoil much?

I keep going back to the store and handling an 81 in 358win. I's lightly used for under $600. I'm really leaning toward the 308, but something about the 358 round gets the loony in me all jazzed up.

This rifle will be to fill the gap between my 454 model 92 and my 300wsm model 70.
I have one of the new model 81's in 358. The trigger pull is heavy and gritty, but I'll get that fixed and love this gun to the end of days.

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I'm wondering what kind of in-fight ballistics you guys are seeing with the 358. What distance is your zero, and how much drop are you experiencing from there?

I'm really thinking 35 cal projectiles in the 225+ range are the perfect fit for the gap in my quiver I want to fill.

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Not to hijack this thread but has anyone any experience with the Williams receiver sight for the blr/bar? Any info regarding front sight height and overall impressions of this sight would be greatly appreciated.


I have a steel framed, straight stock BLR in 358 ( ithink its the BLR 81) It have the williams WGRS on it and I think a .575 in the front and the rear sight is in the middle of its adjustment range. The sight is simple, seems rugged. I put a rifle shell carrier on it with a piece of 3/16 foam under it and it lines up very well for me. Its very shootable without the cheek pad but with the pad it mounts like a shotgun. BTW I found the stock too low with a scope in weaver lows too.

I have it zeroed with hornady 200's at 2400FPS ( its a bit under max) at 125 yds. Its a nice close range rifle and I have shot a number of deer with it.


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do you practice much further than your zero? I want to get an idea of how she'll drop. I plan to scope it, maybe even scout mount, and would like to be able to go out to 250 or 300 without holding over fur. In reality, shots here are usually inside 150, but it can be tough to get close up in the alpine zone sometimes.

I'm thinking this should be a great deer, bear, elk round.

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Originally Posted by FNG
I'm wondering what kind of in-fight ballistics you guys are seeing with the 358. What distance is your zero, and how much drop are you experiencing from there?

I'm really thinking 35 cal projectiles in the 225+ range are the perfect fit for the gap in my quiver I want to fill.
200 gr bullet at 2400 +/- fps, sighted in about 2.5" high at 100 yds. I figure this is point blank shooter out to 250 yds., maybe a bit farther.

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My 225 Partition handload is just under max at about 2520 fps. I'm zeroed at 150. This puts me a hair over half an inch high at 50, just over an inch high at 100, 3 inches low at 200, & a little under 8 low at 250.
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Originally Posted by FNG
I'm wondering what kind of in-fight ballistics you guys are seeing with the 358. What distance is your zero, and how much drop are you experiencing from there?

I'm really thinking 35 cal projectiles in the 225+ range are the perfect fit for the gap in my quiver I want to fill.


I shoot 225g Sierra's and partitions in my 358 at ~2400 fps. IIRC it is sighted in to be 2" high at 100 yards. Shot a deer 3 years ago with it at 180 yards dead-on hold on the shoulder. The bullet drilled him pretty much where I was holding.

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Apparently I suffer from magnum-mania, as my ballistics charts number crunching has lessened my enthusiasm.

I guess I have some more thinking to do. I'm torn between the ideas of a .308 and 155 scenars (of which I have a good stock) or the .358 and a much heavier pill.

Either will obviously have terminal effects. The .308 would probably turn my m70 into a safe queen - which would be fine by me.

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As you probably know, some guns shoot and kill better than their ballistic numbers would indicate. I think most of the 35s are in that category.


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