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#6850123 - 09/07/12 10:02 AM Loading the .44-40...
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Anybody loading the 44-40? I read that it can be a hard round to load for because there are so many bore sizes out there. It is suggested to get a bore cast to get the right bore size for the bullet. Any other problems?

I posted this on the Handguns forum but realized I probably should have posted this here as I'm thinking of purchasing a Uberti 1860 Henry for fun shooting. Nothing magnum out of it. Looking at the 44-40 out of a 24" barrel. I figure the 44-40 should be as close to the original .44 Rim-fire as I'm likely to get.

I came across this article I thought I'd post this for whatever it's worth.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/4440.htm


Edited by derby_dude (09/07/12 10:04 AM)
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#6850166 - 09/07/12 10:13 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: derby_dude]
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Don't worry about your bore size, the cast bullets you can buy at the local gun store will work fine for you. Although I don't own any Uberti's, they are well made guns and shoot shoot great. I use Trail Boss powder for my 44-40 and it works great. I don't remember the weight, but Trail Boss data is easy to get and won't hurt you or the gun...
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#6850362 - 09/07/12 11:22 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: shrapnel]
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Thanks. I was planning on using one of the Montana cast bullet makers which usually cast a bullet to your specs well at least within reason.

I found the load for Trail Boss under the pistol data in my new Hodgdon reloading mag. That load should work real well in a 1860 Henry.

My Honda Accord lease is up this year and I plan on leasing a new Honda CR-V. Seems like that should call for a new rifle.

I also noticed that all dies for the 44-40 are steel so lubing looks to be necessary. Not a problem but something to keep in mine.
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#6874233 - 09/15/12 02:06 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: derby_dude]
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I shoot an "Iron Framed" Uberti, which is really steel, but I digress. My loads run 1300fps in the long barreled Henry and feel like .22lr when shooting. My 50 yard accuracy is about 3" due to the cruddy sight picture, but that's certainly adequate for this kind of rifle. The barrel heats up, so having a shooting glove for the support hand helps a lot.

The .44-40 has a bit of a learning curve with reloading. You will probably ruin a few cases to start, but It's a great round to shoot and enjoy. Go slowly and enjoy the reloading session and you'll get the hang of it.

I"ve loaded a bunch of them in 777 and Pyrodex too.

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#6874878 - 09/15/12 08:12 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: Dan_Chamberlain]
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Holy moly, 1300 FPS, nothing wrong with that as long as it's safe.

I'm now looking at a Cimarron Uberti, steel frame. Most like brass alloy and if one is going to engrave it I guess that's the way to go. There were only 400 iron frame Henry's made before Henry went to the brass alloy for better aesthetics. Probably because brass engraved better than iron and rust prevention.

Have you tried the tang sights on the Uberti? I'm thinking tang sights on mine. Tired old eyes and all. Tang sights should improve the group size.

Thanks.
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#6875178 - 09/15/12 09:56 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: Dan_Chamberlain]
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Originally Posted By: Dan_Chamberlain

The .44-40 has a bit of a learning curve with reloading. You will probably ruin a few cases to start, but It's a great round to shoot and enjoy. Go slowly and enjoy the reloading session and you'll get the hang of it.
Dan


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And, yes, a quality tang sight is very much worthwhile.
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#6877064 - 09/16/12 02:22 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: Border Doc]
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I'm thinking 1300 is safe. Think about it. 1100 was safe in originals. I know that's an over simplification, but when my loads chrono 1297 I round up. Still they are just about as sedate in the heavy Henry as can be. No signs of sticky extraction. No leaking around the chamber. Your own findings may vary.

Dan
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#7024400 - 10/31/12 04:38 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: Dan_Chamberlain]
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I think if you look at a good drawing of the cartridge, you will see a bitt of a shoulder on the case, hence the steel dies and no carbide. My guess, anyway.
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#7024407 - 10/31/12 04:44 AM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: the_shootist]
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When I played with loading the 44.40 for a friend, we had trouble with cases stretching and only getting about 3 reloads from them. But in a rifle it should make a nice little deer thumper. As Skeeter tells it, the old 44.40 shoots hard.

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#7062470 - 11/10/12 12:16 PM Re: Loading the .44-40... [Re: CrowRifle]
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If you are not real worried about accuracy,the local gun store bullets will work, but if you want to get serious, push a lead ball that is slightly oversized (Maybe like a 45 cal round bal) and measure it. 44-40 can run .425-.429, and sometimes bigger.
Then order some cast bullets from Dardas( Essexvile, MI) that are .002 bigger in diameter than what you measured.

Dardas will size to your specs.

www.dardascastbullets.com He ships the USPS Flat Rate box and shipping for 1000 will run about $11.00

My 38-40 measures .401 and the std 40 cal. bullets would not hold even a 6" group. The.403 bullets I ordered now do about 3" groups.


Edited by saddlesore (11/10/12 12:19 PM)
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