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A true observation on your part which will be quickly dismissed by folks here as wrong and irrelevant.

Kent

You've got four sides basically. You've got a few folks at the top who are using their wealth as a weapon to manipulate everybody and who care about nothing but personal gain. You've got folks at the bottom who truly don't want to do anything but eat and breed and have a warm place to shixt. Caught in the middle are one side that sees their intellectual gifts from God being enslaved by the people they pay to make those dreams a reality. The other side in the middle are hard working folks who see the people they work for as never wanting to pay up and basically enslaving them for their labor. Both the middle sides have a point and neither can see it from the other's view. The top and bottom will always be there and will always be a problem. The middle's inability to reconcile is what gave rise to the labor unions. The two political parties increasingly are just used to pander to both of the sides in the middle and are really representative of nothing of substance or form, just appearance.

That sums things up pretty well, I'd say.

I weren't talking about you when I posted that.

On the topic tho I do believe the GOP missed a huge strategic opportunity by not running a Rubio or a Martinez for the Veep slot in this past election.

Just like the way the South was for generations with Yellow Dog Democrats, perceptions can take a generation to change. Hard to argue that either of the above choices would have materially changed the outcome of this election for the worse.

We here on thois board think and thrash out issues one way or the other, I don't believe the majority of voters act that way. Most folks vote on gut impressions. If we didn't win, what at least would have been remembered next time around is that Republicans tried to put a Hispanic in office.

If ya dont think gut impressions and image are issues, imagine either party trying to run two Hispanics, Asians or two Black folks on their P/VP ticket and how that would be perceived by the rest of us.

That is EXACTLY how this past election was perceived by many folks in my neck of the woods. The GOP ran yet another set of lily-White candidates. Close as the last three elections have been, NOBODY can afford give up any advantage, ESPECIALLY the GOP.

Note, choosing a Hispanic VP candidate would NOT have implied that any policy or platform message at all was being "watered down", what it would have reflected is a realistic assessment of how close elections are won.

Birdwatcher

I would have run Rubio as president over Romney, a 65 year old stuff white shirt baby boomer... [bleep] me. But Romney's win was a GOP primary battle and I lost, we lost.

The GOP needs to cultivate some exciting young candidates that can sway the next generation. Race or gender is not important, conservative star power is...

The GOP 'could' offer policies that appeal to all... liberals offer racist peddling... GOP runs around trying to pander to all and say they aren't racist.

Promote conservative, human values across the board without pandering to individual demographics, and the conservatives of each will feel included and vote accordingly.

If we can't win as conservative then the GOP is dead.

Kent

Here's a reenactment of the post I wrote in response to Bob's specific callout of Greg and desire for a immigration reform resolution. Greg doesn't need me defending him but I'm more vocal on the political issues and it gets attributed to Greg by proxy... so I'll answer...

Criticism/tweeking of policy is encouraged... just say'n I'm a racist on emotion will be fervently debated... LOL

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Obviously, no matter what the az crew say here on the 'fire, we are stereotyped as racists. Which is exactly what the Dems do to the repubs with blacks, hispanics and other minorities... doesn't matter what we say, we are the problem according to Hoyle.

First off hispanic is a broad term, put an American with hispanic roots in the same category as an illegal of Mexican/Latin america origin and you better run. My wife and son-in-law will rip you a new ass.

Funny that the american hispanics I know, and I know a few. hate Obama with a passion... they also don't like the repub choices, same as me, but hold their nose, same as me. Of course these are hard working family orientated americans, same as me... It's ironic that the inlaws (son-in-laws parents), who are transplants from Chicago, both are from an 11 kid Puerto Rican second gen family... hate democrats and Obama. Their demographic isn't hispanic, it's they are well educated professionals fairly well to do with much to lose in higher taxes and socialism... compare that to someone who has nothing to lose and more to gain, of any ethnicity.

Hispanic immigration, illegal or amnesty, is not a voting issue for 'American' hispanics... what does sway their vote is racist hate speech from MSM, NAACP, La Raza, politicians, Reverend 'whoever'... all telling them the repubs hate minorities and the dems are their saviors.

Immigration reform policy... one last time from me as it never seems to stick in anyone's mind.

Issues...

100 billion spent in welfare services on illegals per year by taxpayers.

30% of crime committed by a 5% demographic.

Drug smuggling, a social issue by itself but more a security issue for those living on the border or working LE in the areas becoming a war zone.

Human smuggling, a terrible human rights issue against desperate folks taken advantage of by heinous criminals.

Identity theft with fake papers, especially SS cards.

Negative employment issues.

Terrorist threat.

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Resolutions... and no, we will never reach 100% on any but a positive start and increasing percentage over time will make a huge effect...

Close the open border. If that's a combination fence, military fine.

Remove social expenditures for illegals, if they can't pay their way or be sponsored by family/friends, they don't belong here.

Once the border is tightened, start an employer sponsored guest worker program. Open employment centers at border facilities where employers can hire employees already known to them or willing to sponsor, transport and assimilate into the american work force. Background checks, paying taxes, removing fear of discovery, even the occasional intimation from unscrupulous employers... If they lose their job or quit, a grace period to be reemployed/sponsored. Mexico will still receive funds sent back to family... why do folks have to cross through dangerous environments herded by vicious criminals... which is the dem policy of turning a blind eye.

It would effectively remove the human smuggling issue from the drug smuggling, body hacking, american killing, terrorist aiding, Aztlan loving MF'ers that Greg and us others are constantly talking about.. and somehow being construed as us being racist political advocates.

Kent