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#7080674 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Kaleb]
smokepole Offline
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I'd go with something in 6.5 for the bullet selection, and probably end up with 130 or 140 vlds. With that action, an `06 Improved.
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#7080685 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Kaleb]
30338 Offline
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25-06, 6.5-06, 270, 280, whatever turns your crank. For just goats would run 25-06 and not look back. That said, I think your build is too chunky for me. I'd run a #2 Hart and call it good whatever cartridge you decide on.

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#7080703 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: 30338]
Kaleb Offline
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Light barrels won't shoot good.......
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#7080916 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Kaleb]
JeffP40 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/02
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For me, there are two that come to mind with a long action.
First, simple, easy, 25-06. Hard to beat in factory chambering. Easy to load, and shoot. I have one in the making on a VZ24 right now. It is a cheap Adams and Bennett barrel and a friend gave me a laminate thumbhole he built for doing some work for him. Should be good to go with 100s or 115-120s.
Second, 6.5-06AI. I have one on a 700, 28" varmint contour, B&C M40 stock. Shoots 100btips at 3500 and 123 A-max at 3200.



This one is lots of fun.
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#7080956 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: JeffP40]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
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Loc: Central Louisiana
Nice goat, Jeff.

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#7080984 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
CLB Offline
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Reads like you already have an M70 30-06 donor...

6/06 @ 24" using 105 Amax
6.5/06 @24" with 140 bergs

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#7081035 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: CLB]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
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Loc: Central Louisiana
CLB,

Of the two you mentioned, which round would have the long range advantage, i.e. B.C.'s, etc.?

DF

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#7081248 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
TakeEm Offline
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Registered: 01/03/12
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Loc: SD
6.5's beat both 6mm's and .25's ballistically however, I'd go .25-06. Easy to get, easy to load for, shoots flat, kills goats dead.
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#7081310 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
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Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
As you move from 6-06 to .280AI, you're going to trade some recoil and barrel life for wind drift and hitting power. You have to decide how much recoil, barrel life, wind drift, and hitting power you want in your rifle, but for me and speed goats, I'd roll with a 6-06 twisted at 1:7.5" running the 115gr Berger VLD or the 105gr Hybrid.

If looking for cheap shooting, then the 105gr Hornady HPBT or A-Max would be swell. Barrel life isn't going to be stellar, but you'll be able to spot your shots when using a heavy rifle, wind drift will be manageable (nearly identical out to 1000 yards using a 105 Hybrid at 3305fps vs a 140 Hybrid at 3000fps from a 6.5-06), and killing power will be plenty.
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#7081315 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: CLB]
dogcatcher223 Offline
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6'5-06 -or- 6.5-284. Skip the AI, fireforming is for the birds...
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#7081411 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
burt2506 Offline
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.25-06.......280......or 6-06


I would just really like to get me a speed goat. Maybe one day


(sigh)

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#7081439 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
CLB Offline
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DF,

I think the BC of the 140 VLD is .612(not sure at what velocity). To me, edge goes to the 6.5/06 when combined with the the 140 VLD. I have such a combo on my board soon to be built. YMMV.

Heck, the 6/06 with the 115 VLD would be a heck of a combo also.

Only limitations of any reasonable combo would be those of the shooter...

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#7081469 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: CLB]
dogcatcher223 Offline
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6.5's rule. You can shoot from 85's to 160's. Same cannot be said for the 6mm's.
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#7081572 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Question- how many guys load a rifle with every available bullet weight these days? I know I don't. I have maybe two loads per rifle. In 6mm I'd load a 105 or 115gr bullet for longer range shooting, and an 80gr TTSX for close-range killing. In 6.5mm I'd roll with a 120TTSX and 140VLD.

I'd shoot anything from coyotes to moose with either one. So all caliber nut-swinging aside, both would be great choices.
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#7081588 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Jordan Smith]
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When I wanted a rifle to head south for speed goats I settled on a .25-06AI,shooting 100gr TTSXs.As a wind bucking rifle I took either a .280AI or 7SAUM(ballistic twins).If I make it south again I will take my 6.5Rem Mag(24" Shilen) as a second rifle I think.It's shooting 120BTs into .25" at 3240fps. Monashee
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#7081592 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Jordan Smith]
dogcatcher223 Offline
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Posts: 14145
Loc: Kolorado
Originally Posted By: Jordan Smith
Question- how many guys load a rifle with every available bullet weight these days? I know I don't. I have maybe two loads per rifle. In 6mm I'd load a 105 or 115gr bullet for longer range shooting, and an 80gr TTSX for close-range killing. In 6.5mm I'd roll with a 120TTSX and 140VLD.

I'd shoot anything from coyotes to moose with either one. So all caliber nut-swinging aside, both would be great choices.


I have four different loads worked up for my 6.5x55...100's, 120's, 130's and 156's. I could hunt anything in the lower 48 with that gun, and would if I didn't have too many guns already.

6mm's are fun, and I have a 243. But they are a joke in the wind, even with a 105 or 115.
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#7081687 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
Kaleb Offline
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I'm a 6.5 fan too but to say a 6mm is a joke in the wind is just silly.....to each his own though.

I'd be a happy camper with most any of the options discussed in this thread and can't say any mentioned would be a "joke".


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Edit Reason: Can't spell well
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#7081713 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Have you actually shot the 105 AM or 115 VLD at long range in the wind?

And I agree that you could hunt anything in the lower 48 with your 6.5x55- it's an excellent chambering, but I could also hunt anything in the lower 48 with a .243 loaded properly. wink BTW, we're talking about a dedicated speed goat rifle here, the smallest "big game" you can find in the lower 48...

Just for kicks:



Chart created using the JBM engine. Assuming the '06 case for both, 140 6.5 at 3000fps and the 105 6mm at 3350. Yes, there are two lines there.
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#7082034 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Jordan Smith]
dogcatcher223 Offline
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What gun are you shooting to get a 105gr 6mm bullet to 3350? My 243 will only shoot the 95's @ 2980fps.
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#7082043 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
Kaleb Offline
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Loc: TN
He said o6 cases for both. Guess he's going on the 6-06 that was discussed.
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#7082053 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Kaleb]
Kaleb Offline
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My 243 only does 27'ish with 105's....but shoots them well. Been burning I-4350.....should try another powder but have too much other crap to play with it seems?
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#7082177 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
smokepole Offline
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher223
Skip the AI, fireforming is for the birds...


I look at it differently. A 6- or 6.5-06 is already a wildcat requiring an extra step in sizing the brass, and any fireforming I do is with new brass. I don't use new brass for anything requiring accuracy (long range hunting), I use brass formed to my chamber whether it's Ackleyed or not so fireforming is not an extra step for me. And I like the extra 100 fps along with no trimming, so it's all good in my book.
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#7082266 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: smokepole]
dogcatcher223 Offline
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Registered: 03/30/05
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Loc: Kolorado
I have never noticed a difference in accuracy between virgin brass and fired, so it is a moot point.

That being said, to make a 6.5-06 case, all you do is run 25'06 brass through a 6.5-06 die. Takes all of 5 seconds...

Fireforming does nothing but waste good components and add wear to a barrel.
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#7082340 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: dogcatcher223]
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I disagree,the range time I get when fireforming is more than worth the cost of a few components to me.Also the idea that fireforming for a big game rifle(as opposed to a prairie dog rifle!)would wear a barrel over my lifetime makes no sense to me.I load for 3 Ackley chamberings and have experienced no appreciable barrel wear,even in my 22-250AI which I shoot quite a bit.Don't get me wrong,I'm not being critical but I know what works for me.Doesn't mean it works for other folks tho' grin Cheers,Gunner
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