Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Africa Wow spooky stuff after the election!

As to your comment that this to shall pass....... I would like to know what your smoking so the rest of us can get some of it too.

I hear you. While Mexico is not the subject of thread, like you I like it is a crime what is going on with our boarder, and the fact it is not safe to hunt on either side of it is incomprehensible. People hunted Rhodesia and Zambia during the bush war and had fewer problems.

I'm sorry you're struggling through the Bush/Obama recession. Though I didn't hear any of you crying when George W Bush got elected, and we went from a 280 billion dollar surplus to a a 180 billion deficit in one year (before 9/11)! Neither did I hear any republicans crying about the deficit as they signed one national debt increase after another without a sound during the Bush administration. We went from creating 20 million jobs during 8 years of Clinton to 2 million during 8 years of Bush. Hate to confuse anyone with facts though ... I'm not an Obama fan, but I'd vote for Clinton (Bill) for president again in a heartbeat. I thing we should accelerate over the fiscal cliff, raise taxes for everyone, reform entitlements, leave sequestration in place and balance the budget and then pass a balanced budget amendment. We should try living within our means for once. The economy will recover over time and be stronger than ever.

You must have been tone deaf then because the Tea Party was formed because Bush and the Republicans were fiscal profligates. As for Clinton at best he was a pragmatist because his first 2 years were a disaster and he was extremely unpopular. We wont be so lucky with the current occupier.

colorado....you and the rest of the blue states can stick it up your azzz as far as I'm concerned.

Actually colorado is a swing state, but you can secede as far as I'm concerned azzzhole, finally give us a good reason to build that damn fence ...

Why the talk about Bush? Who was tooting Bush's horn? Why would anyone even bring it up when 0 has made the same mistakes time ten plus a thousand more?

I do not disagree with some of the solutions proposed but you need to realize that 0 is, by Alinsky blueprint, a divider and not a uniter. Read the Alinsky rules for radicals and you will see the vast chasm between Bush and 0. This is not just a little more spending.

Well, that escalated quickly!

I am going again and soon. There are always things to worry about. There will always be naysayers. Go while you are healthy enough. Be strong fear not.

Escalators go both up and down-
In this case, down........

I just learned of another Obama recession casualty.

In 2011 I hunted with Gavin Rorke in Zimbabwe. It was a new concession and Gavin had spent a lot of money getting it in shape. The hunt was excellent--lion, bull elephant, and buffalo were bagged among others. The accommodations were first class. I almost signed up to return in 2013 for leopard and sable but decided against it in part because of the economy.

Now I learn that Gavin is out of business and has sold out to Charlton McCallum Safaris. Gavin will act as PH for the safaris he has sold in 2013 and 2014. CMS, incidentally, has an excellent reputation.

One more small business and safari outfitter bites the dust.

Elections have consequences. Make sure you vote in 2014.

I'm not far behind. I can survive another couple seasons like this at most. Three like this will be the end I'm sure.

We are all learnig the hard way that outfitters are small businesses like many others. A bad economy hits small business owners especially hard. I hate to think what the next four years will bring. It is alright to not know anything if you are willing to listen to those who know more than you. The current administration does not understand what makes our economy grow and is to not smart enough to seek the advice of those that do. A lot of average presidents got to be good presidents by surrounding themselves with smart people. Sadly, I don't think that will happen in the next four years.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings (esp) to all you Americans but you're making a BIG mistake if you think the Obama effect is going to touch your world for just 4 years.

Obama is nothing more than a black (or rather half-chat) version of Tony Blair. Everything from hand gestures, to speech style to policies AND most importantly, hidden policies and agendas are identical.

Bliar lost power in 2007 & not only is the country still suffering from the damage he wreaked on everything from the economy to it's society & social structure, it'll be suffering for DECADES to come & I'll bet a pound to a pinch of the brown stuff that the Obama effect will do exactly the same to the USA....... & also the rest of the world.

Only the strong will survive IMO. Small business better find a way to adapt to it. My strongest advice (which is worth exactly what people pay for it----nothing) is to get out of debt and stay there, both business wise and personally. The only difference in our Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats will get us where we're headed quicker..........down the schittter. We'll wind up in the same place eventually anyway.

I'm VERY sorry to hear this....being a member of this forum I always respected you as an outfitter and your comments on stuff here. Many good hunters you've taken to Africa and all good reports.

Hate to see a good guy like you have to lay your business down because of this bad economy but its totally understandable...Wish you only the best!

Indy, I vividly remember as a kid hearing my grandfather say exactly this same thing to my father. That was Cuba 1960. History tells us that despite the many sacrifices made in opposing that regime, it didn't "pass."

I'm afraid our current situation won't "pass" either if we "just hope" that it will. A charismatic socialist demagogue promising the most naive and ill-informed voters - idealistic college students - "hope and change" while preaching and promoting class hatred, is a powerful and destructive force in any society. We are now experiencing the result. This change and this regime are not like other political events in our past.

A valid concern, for as you might see from my reference above, history is prologue. Hopefully our concern for our children and grandchildren will translate into greater participation in the electoral process in our future elections by those of us who believe that our founding principles are still our best basis for enduring Liberty.

IMHO rather than just cursing the darkness in despair, our history has taught us that resolutely organizing locally to politically oppose to these unconstitutional changes to our democracy is the most effective path. Let's provide the world with a shining example of our Exceptionalism once again. We still remain the last, best hope for freedom.

So, is it too soon to ask about the cancellation hunt prices?

In regard to health care which will affect everything else, I am afraid we are going to look back from some very difficult times ahead. I have a cousin who owns some restaurants, and is just at the fifty employees limit; he was holding off expanding to another facility pending the election. No more. Multiply this thousands of times.

I think I already see it in decreased patient numbers in our facility. I believe we are going to see a disaster either very acutely but more probably mitigated by a long, drawn out painful (no pun intended) process with great increases in costs (many health care dollars going to a bureaucracy), less accessibility (determined by age, etc-rationing), and lower quality.

Even CPAs and tax guys are going nuts right now when they are usually sending out their end-of-the-year tax planning letters. They don't know what's going to happen.

They'll be calling OBAMA O-BAN-A before his second mandate is over.
Feinstein has already got the ball rolling on the mother-of-all gun ban bills after the Newton, Connecticut mass school shooting tragedy.