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#7164397 - 12/10/12 which 375
dubya Offline
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For awhile now I've been curious of the .375 bullet, but to be honest (and a little embarrassed), i haven't bought one because i was a bit worried about the recoil. After talking to multiple members who have and use 375 HH mags ive decided that it won't be too bad. I have a M70 Extreme Weather in 338 win mag and am not bothered by its recoil too much and most guys say the 375 is similar, if not better, than the 338 winny in the recoil department.

Anyway, I've narrowed it down to 4 rifles. My favorite rifles are my Kimber Montana's and Model 70's. Of the four i listed which would you choose, and ehy? Thanks ahead fellas!
* Kimber Talkeetna - 375 H&H mag ~$1,700
* Winchester M70 Alaskan stainless laminate - 375 H&H mag ~$1,300
* Ruger M77 Alaskan stainless & synthetic - 375 Ruger ~$1,000
* Kimber Caprivi - 375 H&H mag ~ $2,500 (least likely but its sooo purdy!)

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#7164408 - 12/10/12 Re: which 375 [Re: dubya]
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FWIW I MUCH rather shoot a .375 H&H than a .338 Win...the recoil is more user freindly...
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#7164492 - 12/10/12 Re: which 375 [Re: ingwe]
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I have had 7 rifles in .375H&H, have 2 now and 13 in .338WM, have 6 now, my impression is that the .338WM "kicks" LESS then the old "ouch and ouch". However, they are both quite easy to learn to shoot well and both are quite accurate, with NP handloads.

From your list, my choice, hands down, would be the Mod. 70 Alaskan and then, I would proceed to customize it a bit, to have a 4+1 synthetic stocked rifle for all seasons and all reasons.

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#7164619 - 12/10/12 Re: which 375 [Re: kutenay]
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Yeah i think ill be selling the EW 338 winny and putting the money towards a 375. My hunting buddy has been bugging me since i bought it to sell it to him so ill send it packing. I have another .338 anyway, a Montana in 338 federal which will basically do what the mag will within 250 yards but without being able to shoot the heavy bullets. I like the 200 grain federal trophy copper loads anyway.

The two im really trying to decide between are the M70 and the Talkeetna. I think I'm going to end up with the talkeetna in 375 because Winchester has the Cabelas special edition (50th anniversary i believe) M70 supergrade in 458 win mag and if work is busy this coming season (concrete work) ill probably pick one of them up too. That will just be a safe queen though smile

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#7166804 - 12/10/12 Re: which 375 [Re: dubya]
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I'd get the Winchester and then upgrade the stock. You'll be in the same ball park as the Kimber but it'll have that personal touch. Or just leave it as is and spend the extra 400$ towards glass

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#7167882 - 12/11/12 Re: which 375 [Re: MileHighShooter]
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three seventy six
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#7176388 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: ringworm]
krummarine Offline
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375 Ruger; bombproof; only way to go. It's going to bury the 375 H&H.

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#7176919 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
dubya Offline
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
375 Ruger; bombproof; only way to go. It's going to bury the 375 H&H.


Im going to take a wild guess and say you're going to take a little heat for that one!

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#7176974 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: ingwe]
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Originally Posted By: ingwe
FWIW I MUCH rather shoot a .375 H&H than a .338 Win...the recoil is more user freindly...


+1, make mine the Winchester model 70 too.... grin cool
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#7177221 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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lol!; just my way of poking the old bears on this site.

Really, the Ruger comes with a 20" barrel, iron sights, CRF action and ugly, but very functional stock.

all this shooting a cartridge in a standard magnum action, faster and more efficient than the old "geezer" H&H.

Really? easy choice.

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#7177311 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
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that's a bunch of marketing bs. any seasoned rifleman will cycle the bolt on a M70 equally as fast as a Ruger M77 to cite two examples of actions comfortably housing the H&H and the 375R respectively.

however, does this also mean the same rifleman will cycle the same M70 bolt faster if the rifle is chambered in 375R?

Much ado about nothing.
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#7177346 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
lol!; just my way of poking the old bears on this site.

Really, the Ruger comes with a 20" barrel, iron sights, CRF action and ugly, but very functional stock.

all this shooting a cartridge in a standard magnum action, faster and more efficient than the old "geezer" H&H.

Really? easy choice.


Until you get somewhere important and there's no ammo,if you need it....and empty brass is availble somewhere rather obscure(I've yet to a see any despite hanging in some rather busy gunstores.....Maybe in Alaska? I dunno... whistle

I wonder about the "geezer" stuff,since the 375 Ruger derives from the 30 and 35 Newton, which predated the H&H hull by a few years. eek I wonder....who are the "geezers"? grin

Other than the Ruger,30/06-length actions by Remington and Winchester are simply H&H length actions with the guts blocked off...only the boxes are 06 length, and even a Ruger can be easily converted to H&H length as Phil Shoemaker and Bill Atkinson proved....Sure, to the "over the counter" stiff he is gonna stuff Ruger cases in a Ruger rifle and think he's working with an 06 length action...especially if his arms are short and he ignores the obvious.

I guess the new definition of "efficiency" is providing a larger,fatter case that goes a bit faster,and call it "efficiency".... thought it worked the other way around? confused And slab sided cases loaded to higher pressures are not as good as tapered ones under tough conditions(maybe theoretical up to a point but facts is facts) frown

The notion that the Americans "know" as much as the Brits about designing DG cartridges is laughable....the American definition of "better" being "blow them out straight,pour the coal to them,lets get the most velocity from the smallest case, and don't worry about the pressure"! cry

But Americans don't really have any dangerous game to deal with either...not really unless you count rut crazed whitetails and little black bears.... smile

I don't see the Ruger case(good as it may be)overtaking the Holland any time soon.....some folks will believe anything. wink

Which 375? I'm surprised this is even a "question". sick


Edited by BobinNH (12/13/12)
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#7177499 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
375 Ruger; bombproof; only way to go. It's going to bury the 375 H&H.


B.S. - Never Happen...................

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#7177525 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
lol!; just my way of poking the old bears on this site.

Really, the Ruger comes with a 20" barrel, iron sights, CRF action and ugly, but very functional stock.

all this shooting a cartridge in a standard magnum action, faster and more efficient than the old "geezer" H&H.

Really? easy choice.


REALLY - H&H all the way................

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#7177535 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: ingwe]
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Originally Posted By: ingwe
FWIW I MUCH rather shoot a .375 H&H than a .338 Win...the recoil is more user freindly...

Hate to admit it, but I agree with you... blush

Others will disagree, but to me the recoil of .338/.340 mags is more bone jarring than the .375 H&H. I guess it's all in one's perception and it's a personal thing, no doubt. My .338 Win Mag and .340 Wby both went down the road. I have a .375 SS Classic M-70, barrel cut to 21" with NECG sights. It still wears the factory Tupperware stock. The next upgrade will be an Echols Legend and maybe Cerakote if I get tired of the SS look. To me, this gun is more pleasant to shoot than the .33 cal mags. My .33 is a .338-284.

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#7177595 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
krummarine Offline
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"I don't see the Ruger case(good as it may be)overtaking the Holland any time soon.....some folks will believe anything."

and some folks will hug outdated technology because of nostalgia not function or performance. No dangerous game in North America, you say? Really? Ask Phil Shoemaker about that.

the British heyday of DG cartridges and African colonialism is over; let it go.

The 375R is here to stay and will continue to gain acceptance and popularity...

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#7177648 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Mark R Dobrenski Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted By: ingwe
FWIW I MUCH rather shoot a .375 H&H than a .338 Win...the recoil is more user freindly...

Hate to admit it, but I agree with you... blush

Others will disagree, but to me the recoil of .338/.340 mags is more bone jarring than the .375 H&H. I guess it's all in one's perception and it's a personal thing, no doubt. My .338 Win Mag and .340 Wby both went down the road. I have a .375 SS Classic M-70, barrel cut to 21" with NECG sights. It still wears the factory Tupperware stock. The next upgrade will be an Echols Legend and maybe Cerakote if I get tired of the SS look. To me, this gun is more pleasant to shoot than the .33 cal mags. My .33 is a .338-284.

DF


Curious but do you fellas feel that the 338 and the 375 bump same if the rigs are built the same? Or do you feel that most feel this way cause many of the 375's out there are heavy?

Thx
Dober
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#7177697 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]
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Mark: I dont really know how to quantify it, but the kick of a .338 is more 'abrupt' and sharp. Similar to the difference ( does that make sense?) between a .300 Win Mag and a .300 H&H mag.
I attribute it to the sloping shoulders on the H&H cartridges, though I have no basis in fact...or it could just be that its better to get kicked by a true classic. Kinda like getting a kiss on the cheek from a woman. Would you prefer Sofia Vergara to do it, or your Aunt Sophie?
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#7177905 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]
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.375's may be heavier, generally, than .33 mags.

I think a lot of this is a function of higher velocity causing more abrupt recoil. The heavier, slower projectiles seem to push more and jolt less. For example, I don't find the .500 NE that objectionable. A Merkel double weighing 10#'s gives a big push, not that much "jolt". A .300 Wby with heavy bullets tends to jolt, the .340 Wby, even more so.

I guess it's what one likes and personal preference based on experience. As they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure... smile

DF

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#7177982 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
bluefish Offline
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
"I don't see the Ruger case(good as it may be)overtaking the Holland any time soon.....some folks will believe anything."

and some folks will hug outdated technology because of nostalgia not function or performance. No dangerous game in North America, you say? Really? Ask Phil Shoemaker about that.

the British heyday of DG cartridges and African colonialism is over; let it go.

The 375R is here to stay and will continue to gain acceptance and popularity...


the British heyday of DG carts is over? is this a serious statement? African colonialism may be over but the importance of British DG cart development cannot be overstated and its impact is at work today. only a misinformed fool would think otherwise. the 375R offers nothing so far as I can see in the field to make the change worthwhile even if the package it comes in is small and handy. an H&H can be built up into a lively package as well, I can certainly attest to this fact with my own H&H. it is also a fact the 375R is factory loaded to most of its potential while the H&H can be loaded up quite a bit if desired and will match if not outdo the Ruger round.
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#7178242 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: bluefish]
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I meant the heydey of when they were on the leading edge of DG cartridge development, not referring to those calibers still in use.

375R still offers potential for improvement via reloading OR if one doesn't reload, factory ammo is set to go....

375HH; you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig....

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#7178310 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
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I have a 375R African. I've owned a couple H&H's. I bought the Ruger not because I thought it was better or outperformed the H&H, but because I really liked the rifle. IMO, it's a lot of rifle for the $$
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#7178472 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: krummarine]
bluefish Offline
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Originally Posted By: krummarine
I meant the heydey of when they were on the leading edge of DG cartridge development, not referring to those calibers still in use.

375R still offers potential for improvement via reloading OR if one doesn't reload, factory ammo is set to go....

375HH; you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig....


fine. what cartridge development have we seen that did not somehow come from the Brits or the Teutonics about 100 years ago?

the 375 H&H a pig? to the contrary, she's a long leggy blond while the 375 Ruger is the drunken chick one finds at last call. no comparison.


Edited by bluefish (12/13/12)
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#7178583 - 12/13/12 Re: which 375 [Re: bluefish]
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well, I guess we could start with the 6 PPC which was derived from a russian case. currently the most accurate benchrest round in use..........

should we continue?

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