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#7182936 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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I believe Mr. Bagwell gave you some good advice and is just trying to save you the trouble of trying stuff that won't work. I would suggest doing what he says. I know the urge to use what you have is a strong one but do what I did and sell it 'cause if he says it won't work in what you have it won't. The man knows what he is talking about. Ask anyone on here who he has given advice to and they will tell you the same thing. Go ahead and feel free to disregard it but please come back on here after you try your stuff so you can say "He told me so".

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#7182966 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: pacecars]
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+1000000. smile

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#7183269 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: gunner500]
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Always have to keep in mind that there are big 50 shooters and then there are 50-90 shooters.
At Ekalaka this past sept the rifle that won the 1000$ jackpot on the 1/2 mile buffalo was a 50-90,and that was done with a goodly amount more hits than a couple of rather fabled 45-110 shooters in attendance. At a particularly windplaqued long range match at Alliance there were only 2 rifles that ran the 1000 yd target, and one was a 50-90 and the other was a 44-90, both beat out some really fabled 45-110 shooters . Seem to recall Kurt shooting his way into the top dogs at the Quigley a couple years back with his 50-90....
I'm pretty sure 303 will get this rifle to shooting plenty well enough for his intended purpose. grin
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#7183333 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Ranch13]
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Folks seem to forget that back in the late 90's and early 2000's, Paul Matthews and his son championed the .50-90s and did very very well with them. I sure would not go that route, but it is a route that has been proven to work by others.
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#7183371 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Ranch13]
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Ranch and Brent--True, BUT. They sure as hell didn't do it with 1-26 twist barrels and 435 grain bullets.

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#7183374 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: sharpsguy]
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Frankly, I don't know what twist or bullet they used. I could go back and look at the articles but someone else can do that. Things have died after being shot with the .50-90 too. Quite a few things. I like my .45s but I won't sneer at a .50 shooter. More power to 'em.
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#7183719 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: BrentD]
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Sharpsguy, I'm not a complete pilgrim with the .50-90 and please remember, my original question was simply "what bullets do you like?" Now let me ask another question. Why does a .50-70 seem to do so well with a 1 in 26" twist and the .50-90 do so poorly?

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#7183757 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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Found a twist calculator by some guy named Howell....
Anyway a .495-500 diameter bullet 1.2-1.25 inches long at 1300 fps and the twist rate comes back at 1-26.
The original sharps bullet was listed as 1 1/16 inches long.
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#7183786 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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smile I'm going to jump in here and defend the under dog smile

I shoot the .50-2.5 Shiloh, I don't know anything about the C-Sharps but I know some that shoot it and they shoot it quite well.

But My .50 has always been the go to rifle when conditions were rough at long range shoots and it has always served me well and it is the most consistently accurate rifle in my inventory, but I will say this, my new .44-100 Rem st is out shooting it hands down smile

One thing you keep in mind and what Sharpsguy said, your not going to get the results what the .50 is capable of using a light bullet. I dont know what the 1/26 twist shoots best or the length range of the bullet it will handle I have a 1/22 ROT in my Shiloh and it shoots the 1.5" long bullet the best. 720 gr.

Your tolerance for recoil will most likely be the factor for the accuracy potential you will get from your .50 not so much as the caliber. I'm 72 and I'm trying to ween myself away from the big 50, but I know I will still reach for it when things get tough.

I don't know what my .50 would do on big game It never took anything larger then Deer and when I went after a Bison I reached for the .44-90 bn Sharps but I had the .50 with me.

Shoot the big 50 and enjoy it.

Kurt


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#7183813 - 12/14/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Kurt71]
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Forgot.

Mine shoots the Creedmoor nosed bullet the best. Like the Paul Jones 45001 only in a .510 diameter 1.5" long.

Kurt

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#7184015 - 12/15/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Kurt71]
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Thanks Kurt. And thank you too Ranch.

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#7199098 - 12/18/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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Mike.

Here is a example what the .50/2.5 can do at 200 yards.
That is a old target I took a picture off when I first put the MVA 28" scope on my Shiloh. There are two groups I shot using a 685 grain 1.5" long GG bullet using a full load of 1FG Goex Express powder.

The target on the left was the 685 gr
The one on the right is a 720 gr with the same powder load but the muzzle jump raised the impact. With the 1/22 twist my rifle takes the longer bullets to shoot like it does.


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#7200516 - 12/19/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Kurt71]
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Kurt, Thanks for "showing off." That is impressive. And I got my new .50-90 yesterday, should shoot it tomorrow. For now I've got 20 loaded rounds with bullets and powder just to make the gun go bang. Then I'll get more serious and try some 500 grain paper patch loads, maybe my gun's 1 in 26" twist will be kind enough for some closer range shooting. It does sound like I'll need 540 grains or so before getting serious. Thanks again, I hope I can do something similar.

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#7200593 - 12/19/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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That rifle will just fine as soon as you two stop bumping heads and come to an agreement.
The .50 is kinda like a spooked Horse, they take the bit in their teeth and run till you do what they like and get them calmed down then they will do what you want. smile

Kurt


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#7200758 - 12/19/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Kurt71]
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grin...and ya still grabbed the 44/90 BN to kill sumpthin' grin (a bit of vested interest here grin)
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#7201683 - 12/19/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: EvilTwin]
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grin Yup ET; must be the age thing wink gettin to be a wimp.
But for a hunting caliber The big .44 BN is a hard hitting flat shooting round.
The 6 different Sharps calibers I have they will all do what the two 10 shot groups that are on that target above. You cant force feed them what they dont want to shoot.

Kurt

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#7204301 - 12/19/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Kurt71]
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Ok 303,,, it's been 48+ hours since that rifle arrived, it's about time we saw some shooting results, or there could be severe fines asssessed....
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#7204837 - 12/20/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Ranch13]
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I did shoot it today using 450 grain bullets. These were just my first shots and my main idea was to fire-form some cases. Next those will get reloaded with heavier paper patch bullets. But my grouping wasn't too bad. In fact, you could just barely cover each bullet hole with a dime... Shooting that gun was cool, a lot of fun, no terrible kick. Maybe I'll get kicked later, with the heavier bullets.

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#7206569 - 12/20/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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Good doins. Now to see what you can really make it do..
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#7206714 - 12/20/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: Ranch13]
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Thanks Ranch. This one is going to be a shooter!

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#7227186 - 12/26/12 Re: 50-90 [Re: 303mike]
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And for Christmas I got a new bullet mould. This is a one of a kind, a paper patch for a 480 grain bullet. I'll give it a try tomorrow. And Merry Christmas to everyone!!

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