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#7396379 - 02/03/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
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#7396531 - 02/03/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
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But guess what I did find today (instead of shed Mule Deer antlers)?????

My favorite laugh

Then you peel it, smash it up in your hands, wad it up....

Then nuke it

and violah....


There were plenty of dead standing lodgpoles around, I know that with what I had on me, I could've built a bon-fire if I wanted too. Mostly, I was just practicing being a hillbilly before I came home and made steak fajitas.

I just got lucky on capturing those images. I stuck my Cannon in the snow, on a 5 second delay, and then shoot 10 pics at one second intervals

Today, I couldn't believe how much more horsepower the V2.0 has over the earlier Firesteels. Just dinking with it today, I couldn't believe what you can get away with lighting in the way of tinder.....
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#7396549 - 02/03/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
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#7398260 - 02/03/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
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Great pics! Birchbark is wonderful stuff and the paper kind peeled out like you found is the best. Birch was common where I used to live in the Interior of BC. I am pleasantly surprised that you could light it directly with the fire steel. Y'all are convincing me to go back and buy a V2.0 laugh

Here's a pic of a grandson roasting a hot dog for lunch on a minimal fire in late November along a coastal river. We were meandering back roads, looking at spawning salmon, practicing fire building, etc. It had been raining or snowing and melting for three weeks, with some soggy snow still around and was raining at the time. The driest squaw wood we could find is propped up almost over the small flame drying. We used more fatwood than usual to get something going, and split up larger dead wood with an axe to get past sodden wood to merely damp stuff. The creek behind him is full of spawning coho and chum.





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#7405645 - 02/05/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: Okanagan]
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You guys know that the LMF type steels can be used with sandpaper? I have a "micro kit" that is TSA compliant that I never have to give up. It's transparent so I don't even have to open it to use my button compass smile

There are some #16 fish hooks in there now. One can always seem to be able to count on catching dumb minnows.



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#7422692 - 02/09/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: alukban]
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The long bag is a fold up buck saw.

The green match case is UCO stormproof matches, if you turn half of them upside down you can fit 36 matches and a couple of extra strikers instead of the regular 24.

The paracord lanyard has a scraper, firesteel rod, soft magnesium and jute twine tied into a fob. You can get the scraper, firesteel and magnesium from firesteel.com. I originally got the set from the Paracordist but I don't think he sells them anymore.

The longer the trip and nastier the weather I carry more Fatwood, which I get from these guys.

http://www.greatgreenapple.com/hearth/fatwood/index.shtml
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#7422809 - 02/09/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: elkhunter_241]
DanAdair Offline
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I like the idea of a necklace of Fireworks... I think it would go well with my eyes smile

Oh, and first chance you get, look over a GB Outdoors Axe. Your mini will wind up on the classifieds.
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#7422863 - 02/10/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
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It's not a mini, it's the wildlife.

I was thinking of going up to the small forest axe or the regular forest axe.

Aside from the collar, what is the advantage of the outdoors axe over the two forest axes.

The lanyard isn't for wearing around the neck, it just keeps the items together, good way to get hung if you catch it on something.
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#7423953 - 02/10/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: elkhunter_241]
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Dan- One of the fellows at he ECR had the new Gransfors. It certainly is tempting, the only thing I'm a tick Leary of is is resemblance to a Hudson Bay axe, which are prone to head problems. I'm hoping the steel collar combined with the simple fact that it is a GRANSFORS will lay my worries to rest. I've a Mini and have no bones with it, but I do like the extra snap that the outdoors axe affords. It's a slick little number and I'll be listening along in earnest as you keep putting the miles on yours.

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#7424428 - 02/10/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: ken999]
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I learned something new, never in a milion years would I have thought you could order lighter pine off the internet.
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#7424577 - 02/10/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: NathanL]
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CHAR CLOTH

I haven't seen anyone even mention it - it's what the old timers ( trappers with sparkers) used to start fires.

You can make it by taking a tee shirt cutting it into 2" by 2" pieces (or whatever fits into your container well), putting a huge bunch of it into a small air tight paint container, poking a single hole in the top with a nail, and then putting it on a camp stove on high and watch smoke roll out the hole, when it slows down stop and let it cool. What you get is cloth that looks like charcoal but feels like material of a propane lantern - and it catches sparks and glows as the embers start to catch.

Go to this site and you can see somebody is making some

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Char-Cloth/

Heck of a fun thing to play with, and who doesn't have old Tee shirts .
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#7424834 - 02/10/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: Spotshooter]
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If you mix Char cloth with anything that is harder to start but burns long you have a good setup.

Char cloth is relatively unheard of today, but it's a heck of a neat thing to do on a weekend with a kid, and flint and steel.

it's wild how char cloth picks up sparks, essentially char cloth is charcoal in a thin fabric form that catches sparks and keeps them alive and burning.
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#7477288 - 02/23/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: Spotshooter]
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Bumping this up, Sierra has FireSteels on sale.

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/light-my-fire-scout-firesteel-fire-starter~p~3626w/?filterString=s~fire-starter%2F&colorFamily=99

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/light-my-fire-firesteel-20-fire-starter~p~5693p/?filterString=s~fire-starter%2F&colorFamily=01

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#7477738 - 02/23/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: tkinak]
snubbie Offline
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RockChucker30 posted a video on SeekOutside's website showing how to make firestraws with pixi sticks.
http://seekoutside.com/giant-pixy-stix-fire-straws-in-an-altoids-tin/

I've made a few firestraws with just soda straws but started thinking. Why not some sealed cotton balls in something more compact. Thought about the Foodsaver vacuum sealer. So I made some firestarting packets of vaseline soaked cotton balls sealed in Foodsaver vacuum plastic. They aren't vacuumed, just sealed.


I made several, they are sealed and waterproof and will pack down into an altoids tin or some similar container.


You can light the whole packet with a lighter which I tried out or cut and partially pull out the cotton ball and it will fire right off with a firesteel which is what I did in this photo. They seem to burn about 4 minutes.


Just trying some different alternatives. I think this is neat as everything stays weather sealed and dry and packs flat. A couple could be carried in a fire kit or just thrown in a pocket.
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#7488397 - 02/26/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: snubbie]
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That is slick grin

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#7488937 - 02/26/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: alukban]
DanAdair Offline
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You can do the same thing with vaseline worked into cotton patches in an empty plastic snuff can.

Vaseline is pretty much waterproof in a snuff can.
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#7490126 - 02/27/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: DanAdair]
snubbie Offline
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Anybody tried to wet a vaseline soaked cottonball? I'm wondering if they'll light, really they can't absorb water much can they?
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#7491995 - 02/27/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: NathanL]
MarkG Offline
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Originally Posted By: NathanL
I learned something new, never in a milion years would I have thought you could order lighter pine off the internet.



So true... The first time I saw fat wood for sale; I just chuckled and thought "grab an axe, and go for a walk"
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#7493112 - 02/27/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: snubbie]
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Originally Posted By: snubbie
Anybody tried to wet a vaseline soaked cottonball? I'm wondering if they'll light, really they can't absorb water much can they?
I just tried it the melting vaseline will cause the match to flare up but the cotton will not light. This was a soaked cotton ball I don't know about a damp one.
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#7494254 - 02/28/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: Rock Chuck]
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Originally Posted By: Irving_D
Originally Posted By: snubbie
Anybody tried to wet a vaseline soaked cottonball? I'm wondering if they'll light, really they can't absorb water much can they?
I just tried it the melting vaseline will cause the match to flare up but the cotton will not light. This was a soaked cotton ball I don't know about a damp one.


A sustained flame from a lighter will get a soaked pj cottonball to light, but you need to wring the water out first.

Here's an article on how to make fire straws from petroleum jelly soaked cottonball and giant pixy sticks.

http://seekoutside.com/giant-pixy-stix-fire-straws-in-an-altoids-tin/


Edited by RockChucker30 (02/28/13)

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#7494305 - 02/28/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: RockChucker30]
snubbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: RockChucker30
Originally Posted By: Irving_D
Originally Posted By: snubbie
Anybody tried to wet a vaseline soaked cottonball? I'm wondering if they'll light, really they can't absorb water much can they?
I just tried it the melting vaseline will cause the match to flare up but the cotton will not light. This was a soaked cotton ball I don't know about a damp one.


A sustained flame from a lighter will get a soaked pj cottonball to light, but you need to wring the water out first.

Here's an article on how to make fire straws from petroleum jelly soaked cottonball and giant pixy sticks.

http://seekoutside.com/giant-pixy-stix-fire-straws-in-an-altoids-tin/


Yeah, that's a good video. I made some with regular soda straws. That was the inspiration to seal some with vacuum seal material. (See previous page)

And thanks Irving_D for trying out the soaked cotton ball. Glad to know they will light if the water is wrung out first.
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#7494939 - 02/28/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: snubbie]
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I think another factor is how much vaseline is used and how well it is worked into the ball.

I use the cotton cosmetic squares. I've found that they stick to each other well and can be sort of gummy. I've made some with vaseline and a little mineral oil. The oil seems to soak the cotton better and still burns well especially with vaseline in the mix. Haven't tried them wet, but think the oil is a benefit.
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#7553409 - 03/16/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: ironbender]
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Another option to light your starter is 4 ought steel wool and a 9 volt battery, light weight, easy to carry, and good for a few lites in wet weather.


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#7584963 - 03/25/13 Re: tinkering with fire starting materials & techniques [Re: Okanagan]
snubbie Offline
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Registered: 10/30/11
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Loc: Western North Carolina Mtns
Went looking for some fatwood today. There is an old burn with lots of downed pines. This is a place not far from here. The view is high, looking off of the Blue Ridge Escarpment and across the Piedmont.


Found some good wood at the base of a broken pine. Not sure if it is honest to goodness "fatwood" but it is very resin-rich and can be lit with nothing but a match.


It was a cold day with spitting snow flurries and high wind. I got a pretty good handful. Put with what I have already collected and I have plenty for my kit. Probably more than I'll use. I just don't make that many fires when out and about. Enjoyable day anyway and as good excuse as any to get out.


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