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I find it amazing that the media is demanding strict gun controls and totally ignoring the facts that in a very high percentage of cases the perpetrators in these mass shootings are on mind altering or at least seriously strong drugs designed to control depression or other mental illness. but keep in mind the media and politicians know that pointing this fact out does not help advance the agenda of DISARMING the population and making them MORE DEPENDENT on government for protection, and LESS likely to be able to successfully resist any policy that is being force fed to the people against the populations wishes.
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According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having "mental illness" and a "personality disorder." These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being "treated" with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html#ixzz2FtvSPhiO


1 -- Huntsville, Alabama � February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and �other drugs for the conditions.� He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.

2 -- Kauhajoki, Finland � September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.


3 -- Dekalb, Illinois � February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.

4 -- Jokela, Finland � November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.

5 -- Cleveland, Ohio � October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6 -- Red Lake, Minnesota � March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.

7 -- Greenbush, New York � February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking �medication for depression�. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.

8 -- Wahluke, Washington � April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9 -- El Cajon, California � March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

10 -- Williamsport, Pennsylvania � March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

11 -- Conyers, Georgia � May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.

12 -- Columbine, Colorado � April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold�s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

13 -- Notus, Idaho � April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14 -- Springfield, Oregon � May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending �anger control classes� and was under the care of a psychologist.

heres a bunch of related info links

http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/men...-shootings-preventing-another-sandy-hook

http://mahwah.patch.com/blog_posts/the-link-between-anti-depressants-and-school-shootings

http://www.examiner.com/article/sch...ate-between-guns-and-mental-health-drugs

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shooting-Drugs-Generation-Internet/dp/0967307635

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ban-prozac-and-other-mass-murder-drugs-not-guns.html

http://www.cchrflorida.org/blog/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

http://www.examiner.com/article/mass-shootings-and-drugs-political-correctness-vs-reality

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2000-05-16-School-Shootings-Psychotropic-Drugs.htm

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/pharmagunddon-school-shooters-and-psych-meds.html

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I think that's why Lanza shot his mother. She discovered her retard son was a government operative working in cahoots with the state of Connecticut,the FBI and the coroner's office to slaughter school children in a massive conspiratorial effort to repeal the 2nd Amendment. She learned the hard way you just can't ground those government conspiracy,covert-ops guys.

It's all plausible. Don't know what got in to me.

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Originally Posted by RISJR
I think that's why Lanza shot his mother. She discovered her retard son was a government operative working in cahoots with the state of Connecticut,the FBI and the coroner's office to slaughter school children in a massive conspiratorial effort to repeal the 2nd Amendment. She learned the hard way you just can't ground those government conspiracy,covert-ops guys.

It's all plausible. Don't know what got in to me.


IMO that is extremely improbable


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that explanation makes more sense than believing the Arabs and Israelis are somehow involved?


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Originally Posted by Crockettnj
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I think that's why Lanza shot his mother. She discovered her retard son was a government operative working in cahoots with the state of Connecticut,the FBI and the coroner's office to slaughter school children in a massive conspiratorial effort to repeal the 2nd Amendment. She learned the hard way you just can't ground those government conspiracy,covert-ops guys.

It's all plausible. Don't know what got in to me.


IMO that is extremely improbable

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Really? I thought I was being reasonable considering the facts and ,you know, government being government and all.


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What weapons the maniac used is a red herring. The question is whether Sandy Hook could have been prevented.

Never forget that a maniac who has committed himself to dying is extremely dangerous.

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Laws do not prevent crimes but provide for the punishment of those who commit crimes.

I doubt the situation could have been prevented but feel that it could have been stopped sooner than it was by allowing civilians to have weapons at school the way they once did.

Evidently the mother was trying to commit her son but didn't do it fast enough.

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Notropis,

I agree. But we cannot forget that had Sandy Hook been an impregnable fortress, the maniac would have almost assuredly found a secondary target. Same carnage, different victims...

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That State Trooper Boss who held the press conference looks like a younger George Soros.

But did the MSM report on the resemblance? Of course not.


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Originally Posted by RISJR
In situations like the present one, state sponsored conspiracy is always a reasonable suspicion
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No,it isn't. In fact,it's quite unreasonable and suggests a serious personality disorder.
Quite to the contrary, your inclination is one stinking of historical ignorance, not to mention general naivete.

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Originally Posted by GrandView
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There would be no talk of guns in the wake of this shooting had they not immediately been brought up as somehow guilty of it in and of themselves and no defense of gun owners would be needed had the anti's not immediately held us all collectively responsible.


There would be "no talk of guns"? You're joking.

And I have news for you. As citizens of this country EVERYONE is collectively responsible. Past, present, and future.

Damn, your post literally oozes dumbassery. Beyond hope. You're a chick, right? I get it now. "GrandView" means you're like proud of your 4XL sized asss.

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Exactly why I let my thread slide away into oblivion Bob. Some of the things written here and on it have just been painful to read. The paranoia is at a level that makes reasonable discussion impossible.

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Your thread was retarded in its arrogance and crass stupidity. If you "let" it slide into oblivion, it was the best decision you've made in awhile.
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Originally Posted by curdog4570
That State Trooper Boss who held the press conference looks like a younger George Soros.

But did the MSM report on the resemblance? Of course not.


No, they didn't.

However, several people thought the medical examiner, Carver, resembled John Goodman. If that's relevant....

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Originally Posted by curdog4570
That State Trooper Boss who held the press conference looks like a younger George Soros.
But did the MSM report on the resemblance? Of course not.

laugh


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Originally Posted by GrandView
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
In situations like the present one, state sponsored conspiracy is always a reasonable suspicion.


LOL

It just is not possible for anyone to do more damage to you than you do to yourself.

State-sponsored conspiracy in the service of the lowest and most criminal sorts of ends is the historical norm, not the exception. An understanding of this fundamental reality was the Founders' core motivation for establishing our governmental system of checks, balances, decentralization, and strict limits on state power. If you disagree, then you disagree with the fundamental basis for the system established by our Founders.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by GrandView
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
There would be no talk of guns in the wake of this shooting had they not immediately been brought up as somehow guilty of it in and of themselves and no defense of gun owners would be needed had the anti's not immediately held us all collectively responsible.


There would be "no talk of guns"? You're joking.

And I have news for you. As citizens of this country EVERYONE is collectively responsible. Past, present, and future.

Damn, your post literally oozes dumbassery. Beyond hope. You're a chick, right? I get it now. "GrandView" means you're like proud of your 4XL sized asss.


LOL

You're spiraling into irrelevance. Surely you must know that.

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Originally Posted by 340mag
I find it amazing that the media is demanding strict gun controls and totally ignoring the facts that in a very high percentage of cases the perpetrators in these mass shootings are on mind altering or at least seriously strong drugs designed to control depression or other mental illness. but keep in mind the media and politicians know that pointing this fact out does not help advance the agenda of DISARMING the population and making them MORE DEPENDENT on government for protection, and LESS likely to be able to successfully resist any policy that is being force fed to the people against the populations wishes.
ARMED citizens VOTE on changes, UN-ARMED SURFS DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD!
According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having "mental illness" and a "personality disorder." These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being "treated" with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html#ixzz2FtvSPhiO


1 -- Huntsville, Alabama � February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and �other drugs for the conditions.� He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.

2 -- Kauhajoki, Finland � September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.


3 -- Dekalb, Illinois � February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.

4 -- Jokela, Finland � November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.

5 -- Cleveland, Ohio � October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6 -- Red Lake, Minnesota � March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.

7 -- Greenbush, New York � February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking �medication for depression�. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.

8 -- Wahluke, Washington � April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9 -- El Cajon, California � March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

10 -- Williamsport, Pennsylvania � March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

11 -- Conyers, Georgia � May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.

12 -- Columbine, Colorado � April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold�s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

13 -- Notus, Idaho � April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14 -- Springfield, Oregon � May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending �anger control classes� and was under the care of a psychologist.

heres a bunch of related info links

http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/men...-shootings-preventing-another-sandy-hook

http://mahwah.patch.com/blog_posts/the-link-between-anti-depressants-and-school-shootings

http://www.examiner.com/article/sch...ate-between-guns-and-mental-health-drugs

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shooting-Drugs-Generation-Internet/dp/0967307635

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ban-prozac-and-other-mass-murder-drugs-not-guns.html

http://www.cchrflorida.org/blog/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

http://www.examiner.com/article/mass-shootings-and-drugs-political-correctness-vs-reality

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2000-05-16-School-Shootings-Psychotropic-Drugs.htm

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/pharmagunddon-school-shooters-and-psych-meds.html
Overall, great post. Could I speak to the other side of it...somewhat? I've been critical of the lack of facilities ushered in by politicians greedy to capitalize on what amounts to Psychiatrists claims that they can medicate patients into sanity. I think the criticism is worthwhile but at the same time, most of the facilities were places where very bad things occurred. When you think about it, the rise of Psychotropic medication has allowed a lot of folks to lead semi-normal lives walking around like the rest of us, where before their advent, commitment was probably the best option.

That said, your point about pschiatric drugs...and other drugs, having the opposite or near-opposite effect they are supposed to, is well-taken. And it also seems like sometimes the patient is not at fault. Many times the patients decide to self-prescribe and decrease or quit taking meds, but sometimes it seems like a med can be working fine and then just quit or have a different effect. Strange and concerning.

At any rate, this is the conversation that should occur as to mental health, not some sort of test which will, no doubt, throw out anybody who wants to own a gun as "crazy" given the overall liberal bent of the profession.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
State-sponsored conspiracy in the service of the lowest and most criminal sorts of ends is the historical norm, not the exception. An understanding of this fundamental reality was the Founders' core motivation for establishing our governmental system of checks, balances, decentralization, and strict limits on state power. If you disagree, then you disagree with the fundamental basis for the system established by our Founders.


I don't disagree with that.

I do disagree with the perpetual habit of inventing "facts" to support the contention of such conspiracies.

Which was the theme of the thread.

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Originally Posted by GrandView
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by GrandView
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
There would be no talk of guns in the wake of this shooting had they not immediately been brought up as somehow guilty of it in and of themselves and no defense of gun owners would be needed had the anti's not immediately held us all collectively responsible.


There would be "no talk of guns"? You're joking.

And I have news for you. As citizens of this country EVERYONE is collectively responsible. Past, present, and future.

Damn, your post literally oozes dumbassery. Beyond hope. You're a chick, right? I get it now. "GrandView" means you're like proud of your 4XL sized asss.


LOL

You're spiraling into irrelevance. Surely you must know that.
"Irrelevance" describes both your post and opinions here. Please go out and play, but be sure to ask mommy for permission first. The big folks have real topics to discuss here and your insistence on inanities is a sore distraction.

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Originally Posted by Crockettnj
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...how an ENTIRE SET OF EMERGENCY RESPONDERS was so quickly, seamlessly, and unanimously co-opted into this conspiracy.


I dont think it would work like that at all. However, it certainly wouldnt be too terribly difficult to coax, nudge, & encourage a very unstable mind into doing something very bad. Expecially if you did so on his medium (computer games- online etc) Some recommendations, prior assistance, and then sit back to let it unfold how it unfolds. A different take on the useful idiot concept.

FF isnt fiction, and its a freaking debacle. Benghazi wasnt jsut a lapse in judgement. This slaughter was far too convenient a disaster imo. Could be I'm wrong. I jsut wouldnt put it past someone(s) very bent on changing things as fast as possible.

Well said. Some folks, however, are pathologically naive with regard to, and trusting of, the state. Seems like we have a lot of that sort right here at the Fire. This is to be expected, however, since it requires a life long study of history and human nature in the context of power to undue the brainwashing we all systematically receive throughout our formative years. Americans tend to be thoroughly brainwashed in this way.

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