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I wasn't quite as convinced Jorgel as to the superiority of those X Bullets. Do you think that the results necessarily indicate the X Bullets will kill more quickly and certainly?

What is your criteria for superiority?

The X Bullets aren't near as popular in this country. Probably because their mandatory use has not been legislated anywhere here. (Yet)

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The Barnes X/TSX/TTSX line of bullets has grown over the past 20+ years from a curiosity to a force because people that hunt with them like the performance. I was an early adopter and they were a novelty the first time I hunted with them in RSA. Game went down fast and hard enough to turn the snickers and comments of derision from the smart-assed Afrikaner PH's into interest. A few years of seeing other clients in the field with those bullets turned the interest into admiration.

This is not to say that Nosler Partition isn't very good or that AB's will not perform, it is just that the Barnes seems to do the job as well or better every single time.


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My brother is heading to New Mexico this week to put a hole in a big bull elk, using 168 grain BTs from his .30-06. It will be interesting to see if he catches the bullet.



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if i have the 168s loaded in my 308 at 2750 would that be good enough for bears that weigh 500 lbs when im shooting them at really close range. i have partitiions loaded but they dont shoot as well.

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Originally Posted by 79inpa
if i have the 168s loaded in my 308 at 2750 would that be good enough for bears that weigh 500 lbs when im shooting them at really close range. i have partitiions loaded but they dont shoot as well.


Shoot them in the vitals and you'll have a very dead bear, quickly.



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Bump for a great thread.
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+1!
Very interesting thread though.

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Great tests. That is some awesome stuff!


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Excellent information here. More than a lifetime of experience in one thread. Amazing. Thanks to everyone involved.

PS. As someone that was hunting with a 300 mag and 30/06 many years ago I remember two bullet jacket thicknesses being available from Barnes. The .032 jacket for standard .30 caliber cartridges and the .049 jacket for magnums. It is not really fair to expect the .032 jacket bullet to perform at magnum velocities. It was never designed to do that. It would do much better if impact velocity were reduced 300-400 fps.

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Wow. A TON of work!

Thanks for this thread.


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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
My brother is heading to New Mexico this week to put a hole in a big bull elk, using 168 grain BTs from his .30-06. It will be interesting to see if he catches the bullet.



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Update, big bull down, 3 shots, caught two bullets.

Range 158 yards, MV 2815. First shot impacted on the left side of the chest under the scapula, through the lungs, punched a hole in the right scapula, stopped under the hide. Weighed 111.4 grains, expanded to 0.772".

Second shot was slightly behind the first and exited. The bull swapped ends after the second shot.

Third shot was high shoulder and down he went. Through the top of the shoulder and took out the spine. Bullet weighed 91.0 grains and measured 0.657".

Not bad.



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Pretty good performance.. That 165 BT acts a whole lot tougher than most give it credit for.


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Part 5 added. Enjoy.

Well friends, here is part 5. Lots of bullets tested (22 this time) and some results really surprised me. Just as a reminder, all the 30 cal and 6.5 bullets were tested with cow bones as outlined above and the 6mm bullets got deer bones.

Results

Bullet: 230gr Berger OTM
Penetration: 20"
Weight retention: 141.9gr (61.7%)
Expansion diameter: .569"
Impact speed: ~2700fps

Bullet: 220gr Nosler Partition
Penetration: 13.5"
Weight retention: 42.3gr (19.2%) (No, that's not a typo. The rear core was not with the bullet when it was recovered.)
Expansion diameter: .411"
Impact speed: ~2725fps

Bullet: 220gr Remington Core-lokt
Penetration: 8""
Weight retention: 99.7gr (45.3%)
Expansion diameter: .835"
Impact speed: ~2700fps

Bullet: 215gr Berger OTM
Penetration: 13"
Weight retention: 58.7gr (27.3%)
Expansion diameter: .493"
Impact speed: ~2750fps

Bullet: 180gr Nosler Ballistic tip (new, tough jacket)
Penetration: 13"
Weight retention: 80.7gr (44.8%)
Expansion diameter: 548"
Impact speed: ~3050fps

Bullet: 180gr Hornady Interbond
Penetration: 13"
Weight retention: 104.4gr (58%)
Expansion diameter: .523"
Impact speed: ~3000fps

Bullet: 180gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw
Penetration: 17"
Weight retention: 146.2gr (81.2%)
Expansion diameter: .605"
Impact speed: ~2950fps

Bullet: 185gr Bonded Matrix RN
Penetration: 6"
Weight retention: Completely disintegrated
Expansion diameter: N/A
Impact speed: ~fps

Bullet: 178gr Bonded Matrix Hunting Bullet
Penetration: 8"
Weight retention: 55.9gr (31%)
Expansion diameter: .77"
Impact speed: ~3000fps

Bullet: 165gr Trophy Bonded Tip
Penetration: 15"
Weight retention: 128gr (77.6%)
Expansion diameter: .655"
Impact speed: ~3100fps

Bullet: 150gr Hornady Interlock
Penetration: 8"
Weight retention: 67.2gr (44.8%)
Expansion diameter: .647"
Impact speed: ~3300fps

Bullet: 150gr Hornady Interbond
Penetration: 11.5"
Weight retention: 83.1gr (55.4%)
Expansion diameter: .549"
Impact speed: ~3300fps

Bullet: 150gr Barnes TTSX
Penetration: 22"
Weight retention: 88.5gr (59%)
Expansion diameter: .380"
Impact speed: ~3300fps

6.5 Results

Bullet: 160gr Matrix VLD
Penetration: 10"
Weight retention: 50.6gr (31.6%)
Expansion diameter: .585"
Impact speed: ~2500fps

Bullet: 150gr Matrix VLD
Penetration: 11"
Weight retention: 101.7gr (67.8%)
Expansion diameter: .742"
Impact speed: ~2600fps

Bullet: 130gr Berger Hunting VLD
Penetration: 8"
Weight retention: 48.3gr (37.2%)
Expansion diameter: .631"
Impact speed: ~2850fps

Bullet: 130gr Berger Target VLD
Penetration: 9"
Weight retention: 49.7gr (38.2%)
Expansion diameter: .571"
Impact speed: ~2850fps

Bullet: 127gr Barnes LRX
Penetration: 14"
Weight retention: 116.4gr (91.7%)
Expansion diameter: .849" (Bullet was recovered facing sideways which is why that petal bent out and has such a large expanded diameter)
Impact speed: ~2825fps

6mm Results

Bullet: 100gr Remington Core-lokt
Penetration: 9.5"
Weight retention: 55.6gr (55.6%)
Expansion diameter: .431"
Impact speed: ~3175fps

Bullet: 95gr Berger Classic Hunting
Penetration: 7"
Weight retention: 40.5gr (42.6%)
Expansion diameter: .464"
Impact speed: ~3200fps

Bullet: 95gr Nosler Ballistic Tip
Penetration: 6"
Weight retention: 28.8gr (30.3%)
Expansion diameter: .434"
Impact speed: ~3200fps

Bullet: 85gr Speer BTSP
Penetration: 6"
Weight retention: 29.7gr (35%)
Expansion diameter: .627"
Impact speed: ~3300fps



Here is a picture of the 185gr Matrix bonded that disintegrated. It had to be seated very deep in the case as it has a rather long bearing surface. That's 20 thou off my lands.

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Bullets L to R

Top: 230gr Berger OTM, 220gr Core-lokt, 220gr Partition, 215gr Berger OTM, 180gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, 180gr Ballistic Tip, 180gr Interbond
Bottom: 178gr Matrix Bonded Hunting, 165gr Trophy Bonded Tip, 150gr Interbond, 150gr Interlock, 150gr Barnes TTSX

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6.5 Bullets L to R

160gr Matrix VLD, 150gr Matrix VLD, 130gr Berger Target, 130gr Berger Hunting, 127gr Barnes LRX

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6mm Bullets L to R

100gr Core-lokt, 95gr Berger Classic Hunting, 95gr Ballistic tip, 85gr Speer BTSP

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3100fps+ impact speeds into bone is certainly a varsity test! Appreciate the effort as your tests are as insightful as any I've seen. I am a big fan of those Trophy Bonded Tip bullets. If they would only sell them as components! I've certainly tried to talk them out of a couple hundred 200gn .338 cal TBTs.

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Thanks for all the work, very impressive!


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Excellent Kman! Lots of work and thanks for the effort.

Looks like the 220 Partition tumbled,shed the core. Had it happen once. The 180 TBBC looks good to me.

Of the 6.5's the only one I'd bother with is the 127 LRX.

Interesting stuff with a couple of surprises.On average the 30's did better than the 6.5's which is no surprise.

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Very nice! That is some serious testing. Cool to see those kinda results.


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My hat is off to you Sir!
That is a lot of testing and a lot of effort and is a great contribution to our collective knowledge base.
Thanks!


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I'm rather impressed with that 100gr Core-Lokt!

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