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#7222130 - 12/24/12 07:30 AM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: butchlambert1]
Scott Offline
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A little late to the fire on this one but my form is similar to Barry Wensel - split finger, middle finger on tooth behind eye tooth, slight natural cant, and FOCUS on single point. When it feels right, it goes. If I start seeing the arrow, I screw up. Shooting golf balls or tennis balls in the yard is awesome practice as it stumpin'.
Byron Ferguson's "Become the arrow" is a good read. Masters of the barebow are good DVD's to see other's form. Paul Brunner had a video out with some form info also but I cannot recall the title.
This years buck:

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#7238479 - 12/28/12 07:06 PM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]
brinky72 Offline
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Yep. Nose slap too. I make sure I shave regularly as we'll to avoid chaff from pulling out whiskers.
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#7262599 - 01/03/13 10:23 AM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: brinky72]
centershot Offline
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Ghostinthemachine, I feel the need to call BS on your posts berating Anthony Camera. There seems to be a 'new' bunch of experts that think you have to shoot in the IBO to be able to shoot a trad bow. If you have read his book you would realise that most of his shooting was done in the 70's and 80's. He now just shoots and coaches mainly indoors by choice. In the book he plainly states that he hunted, just like most of us. I get so tired of the jealosy shown on Leatherwall and a couple of other trad sites I want to puke. Just because the guy took the time to organize and explain trad archery and put it in a book and they did not. These jokers say that Tony came up with these ideas and methods of how to shoot, in reality (if they would read the book before bashing it) they would soon learn that he is using methods as old as anyone can remember. He's not taking credit for the methods taught, just orgaized them so they are in one place and easy to understand. Until any of these 'experts' produce a book - "Shooting the Stickbow" is the gold standard. FWIW I have read Asbells books as well as Ferguson's and many others, none are anywere near as informative and complete when it comes to shooting and tuning traditional gear.

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#7262813 - 01/03/13 11:18 AM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: brinky72]
gunner500 Offline
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Originally Posted By: brinky72
Yep. Nose slap too. I make sure I shave regularly as we'll to avoid chaff from pulling out whiskers.


laugh, Thanks Brink, i'll remember that one too.

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#7262874 - 01/03/13 11:30 AM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: centershot]
Ghostinthemachine Offline
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Originally Posted By: centershot
Ghostinthemachine, I feel the need to call BS on your posts berating Anthony Camera. There seems to be a 'new' bunch of experts that think you have to shoot in the IBO to be able to shoot a trad bow. If you have read his book you would realise that most of his shooting was done in the 70's and 80's. He now just shoots and coaches mainly indoors by choice. In the book he plainly states that he hunted, just like most of us. I get so tired of the jealosy shown on Leatherwall and a couple of other trad sites I want to puke. Just because the guy took the time to organize and explain trad archery and put it in a book and they did not. These jokers say that Tony came up with these ideas and methods of how to shoot, in reality (if they would read the book before bashing it) they would soon learn that he is using methods as old as anyone can remember. He's not taking credit for the methods taught, just orgaized them so they are in one place and easy to understand. Until any of these 'experts' produce a book - "Shooting the Stickbow" is the gold standard. FWIW I have read Asbells books as well as Ferguson's and many others, none are anywere near as informative and complete when it comes to shooting and tuning traditional gear.


That's fine.

My posts stand and I won't even go back to look at what I wrote.. He hasn't hunted since the early 70s and only went out a couple of times back then. He 'coaches' people supposedly, and it's STRICTLY 20 yard NFAA rounds with extremely lightweight bows. He's never won a single thing in archery, that's simply a fact. I do like his info on tuning, mainly because I use AL arrows, just like he does.

If you like the book, that's fine. But people need to know some of the background of ANY self-proclaimed internet guru. That was my basic point.

Sorry if I ruffled some feathers. Tact aint one of my strongsuits.

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#7262986 - 01/03/13 11:59 AM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]
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Here's a video that was on Bowsite a week ago. This shows why I think it's important to take advice from hunting archers. Viper would scoff at this technique, even mock and ridicule it. The result? A perfect shot on a giant buck.


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#7263039 - 01/03/13 12:15 PM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]
centershot Offline
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In just your last post you have contradicted your own comments. First you say he never hunted, now you say he only hunted a couple of times, book said he hunted quite a bit in his youth - I think you need to re-read the book.........do keep in mind it is a book on how to shoot a traditional bow using classic form. He very plainly states that varying from the basic form is fine, but it is wise to first learn to shoot in the most simple and repeatable manor. Do you disagree with that? How about I email this to viper and let him comment instead of you trying to put words in his mouth? There are absolutley some haters on Leatherwall and Tradgang - many of which I have ask if they have even read the book they so detest, most have not. I have even offered to puchase the book from them if they would read it and give it an objective look and still did not like it - no takers. Over and over they state that he has not won 3D's or this or that - Who cares? They are probably lucky he does not - with consistant form he would undoubtable whip most of them. He has modestly stated that he has shot AA Scores on the NFAA 300 round. Do you know what that amounts to? 23.3 points per 5 arrow end or a 3 1/2" group for 60 arrows at 20 yards - no hack can do that. If you want a book on Bowhunting, that is not the one. If you want a book on how to shoot and tune trad bows - that is by far the best I have seen.

BTW, that is a great video and a very nice buck. A 10-15 yard shot is really not a big deal though and that is where the 'Bowhunter Only' mentality gets crossed up with the book. Back up to 40 or 50 yards shooting with a humpped over, inconsistant cant and inconsistant draw length and you'll need all the black magic you can muster.

So why this hate for a guy you don't even know?


Edited by centershot (01/03/13 12:35 PM)

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#7263060 - 01/03/13 12:21 PM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]
brinky72 Offline
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Like everything, "If it works for you, use it." I don't mock or ridicule anyones' technique if it works or even if it doesn't. Anyone that states that they or their method is the one and only way to do things is a moron and is setting themselves up for failure. I'm no expert on shooting bow trad or otherwise. I've been hunting a while now with a recurve and use what has proven effective for me. Might be odd to others but guess what. I'm the one shooting my deer/bear not anyone else. Experts to me are self important, close minded azzholes. just my two cents.
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#7263067 - 01/03/13 12:23 PM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: centershot]
Ghostinthemachine Offline
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Originally Posted By: centershot
In just your last post you have contradicted your own comments. First you say he never hunted, now you say he only hunted a couple of times - I think you need to re-read the book.........do keep in mind it is a book on how to shoot a traditional bow using classic form. He very plainly states that varying from the basic form is fine, but it is wise to first learn to shoot in the most simple and repeatable manor. Do you disagree with that? How about I email this to viper and let him comment instead of you trying to put words in his mouth? You have been hanging around on Leatherwall and Tradgang too much.


Viper 'said' he hunted a couple of times in the '70s. I personally don't believe it.

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#7263139 - 01/03/13 12:37 PM Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]
centershot Offline
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Registered: 08/02/05
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Loc: Southern Idaho
What make you believe that? And.........hunting is not for everyone. Should that mean that you can not shoot a bow and arrow and enjoy it?


Edited by centershot (01/03/13 12:37 PM)

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