Diablo's post was a failed attempt at slander. Period!
I know both Marc and ceg1963 personally. BW,I know you.. and you know me. OK then. Now we all know eachother!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Chuck is full of [bleep]!!!
Kodiman,
Well now between you, and a certain mutual friend <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, I'm getting a good idea about which guy I'd prefer to drink snake liquor with.
Would now be a bad time to say I've used a Wiggys sleeping bag for over 10 years?
I personally know 6 people who posted within this thread... And it doesn't matter how many times I run the numbers, I get the same results... Diablo is still full of [bleep]...OOPS! I meant ceg1963, I mean Chuck, I mean Major.. Come on Charles, I thought you were a cool dude. Get over it man.. You can hunt Brownies next year. You crushed your hunting circle.
Where is ole "Mutual" anyway.... That Snake Wine is some nasty [bleep]!! I'll go "shot for shot" with ya, and the loser has to eat a snake...I guarantee my success! 'Cause I hate snakes... 3 rounds...
Well yes, my first post (I believe) although I have been lurking for over a year... which those that know me from the other site will be amazed ...
Anyway, I do know the parties involved in this �discussion� and I am not about to get involved in their PERSONAL dispute, it is between two GROWN MEN, however, I have an opinion on what is appropriate and what is not (and to say this may put me in an �uncomfortable� circumstance is an understatement) For example: who I hunt with is MY choice and although you may not like my decision it is a personal choice and has NOTHING to do with my business � therefore my business should NEVER be brought into the discussion. My business, my revenue, from which I feed and cloth my family, pay my mortgage, is NOT my hobby. Some feel that Taylor�s choice to �notify the command� was inappropriate, that there is no �civilian� recourse � when in fact, Taylor�s �boss� was notified � publicly. Who�s his boss? YOU, the consumer. Taylor, who I judge as a reasonable man would not have gone to the �command� had he not believed, truly believed, the source of the slur. CEG1963 provided that he merely facilitated the account and I am sure the �command� will give him the benefit of a doubt and CEG1963 will assuredly set the young man straight on issues such as liable, slander, prudent and appropriate behavior (let alone the inaccuracies of his initial post). Bottom-line is, again, this is a dispute over personal issues NOT Wiggy�s.
I must admit I am a Wiggy�s fan � using Wiggy�s bags when I was young and associated with a �different� military community. I purchased Wiggy�s products for my own use long before I ever meet Taylor. I have been in his store and enjoy it because 1) the volume of inventory, 2) diversity of inventory, 3) Taylor�s candor and honesty and 4) the complete lack of �salesmanship� � try to push me towards a buy, try to BS me, belittle me because my choice of gear isn�t featured on Saturday morning hunting shows or in named outdoor magazines � and I am gone. I like the shop, Taylor and the product because I am just a �Joe� and looking for the best for the money and purpose I have.
Had this thread been titled �Taylor Sucks�, I would have continued lurking � the personal agenda obvious. To anyone who would dismiss Wiggy�s � Alaska because of what they read on an internet chat room is doing THEMSELVES a disservice. The product descriptions, prices, warranties are all on-line � it�s ridiculous to make the initial accusation. The product reviews can easily be found, and comparison made. The shot at Wiggy�s was low, inappropriate, and an attempt to misguide YOU from an excellent and affordable product for the purpose of �.? What (when it come down to it - it is about the �Joe� ISN"T IT?)? Regards, Paul
While I retract none of what I said, I now realize that my reading comprehension skills are comprimised at the moment....and I replied to something in your thread that wasn't there....
Dave, don't get Longbow started!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Stick might take offense if a "newbie" rolls in and steals his thunder!!! (grin) Good luck "out witting" Longbow....
For example: who I hunt with is MY choice and although you may not like my decision it is a personal choice and has NOTHING to do with my business � therefore my business should NEVER be brought into the discussion. My business, my revenue, from which I feed and cloth my family, pay my mortgage, is NOT my hobby.
Exactly, I think, which is why calling a persons boss is wrong.
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Some feel that Taylor�s choice to �notify the command� was inappropriate, that there is no �civilian� recourse � when in fact, Taylor�s �boss� was notified � publicly. Who�s his boss? YOU, the consumer.
Quite the stretch in my opinion. In any case, Marc must know this sort of stuff happens, right or wrong. It's a public relations issue, all companies must deal with the subject.
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Taylor, who I judge as a reasonable man would not have gone to the �command� had he not believed, truly believed, the source of the slur.
This confuses me, or I didn't get your first part right. You state that a persons business should not be brought into the discussion, yet now are rationalizing Marcs actions.
You do realize that the 'command' is the other guys business, right?
Next time, the problem person may not be a military member. What then? I say calling the command is an inappropriate response as it can't be applied in all cases.
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I am sure the �command� will give him the benefit of a doubt and CEG1963 will assuredly set the young man straight on issues such as liable, slander, prudent and appropriate behavior (let alone the inaccuracies of his initial post).
How can you be sure of the commands response? Anyhow it's nice to see our busy military being used to counsel the private sectors 'problem' customers.
Marc and I have PM'd each other, and I think he is the 'injured party' in this case. My friends here have told me he runs a nice shop. Hopefully I'll get by his shop in the future myself.
I think he took a course of action which is popular with many companies near military bases. A course of action, which if happened to most civilians here, they would find unacceptable.
Brain - sorry if you don't understand ... I don't know how to do all that "quote"/comment stuff you did and I am not about to retype everything. Try reading it slower and if it still doesn't make sense, let me know, and I will take another shot at it.
Even after "contributing" to this, I argee with Waterrat ... this hole thread needs to go away.
therefore my business should NEVER be brought into the discussion. My business, my revenue, from which I feed and cloth my family, pay my mortgage, is NOT my hobby.
Here's a little FYI for my dealings with Marc Taylor and my experience with Wiggy's products...
I went on my first Alaskan adventure in August 2005 - a Dall sheep hunt. While doing research for a sleeping bag, more people had expressed their pleasure with Wiggy's than not. That being the case, I called Marc Taylor to speak with him personally about the bags he was selling. After speaking with him and doing a little more research, I concluded that I would try a Wiggy's bag. So, I contacted Marc again and spoke with him about the Kifaru-Wiggy's Ultralight and he agreed to send me the bag, without pre-payment, to try and if I liked the bag, I could pay him, or if I didn't like it, I could send it back. Now, Marc didn't know me from Adam but he sent the bag to me on blind faith that he would get paid or have the bag returned. Did I mention I live in Louisiana and he paid the shipping too?
I decided that I would keep the bag and paid Marc. However, the customer service didn't stop there. Marc told me to call him when I got into Anchorage. Well, I did just that and ended up making my way to Wiggy's-Alaska to visit with Marc. Upon my arrival at Marc's store, he closed shop and took me to pick up my license, tag and a few other essentials. Thereafter, he took me to eat dinner and paid for the meal and he then dropped me off at my hotel so I could get my affairs in order for when my guide picked me up the next a.m.
As for the bag, I sleep comfortably in the bag (20 degree bag) in the Talkeetnas. The temperature never dipped below the lower 40s, upper 30s but I have no complaints. I did have one so-so encounter with the bag in Pecan Island, Louisiana sleeping in the same tent I used on the sheep hunt when the temps were in the mid-30s and the air was damp but I attribute that to the fact that I went to bed after a night of good spirits around a camp fire and slept only in my boxers and a t-shirt.
That being said, I am headed back to Alaska this year for a moose hunt and need a 0 degree bag. In all likelihood it will be a Wiggy's bag from Marc Taylor because he treated me like a friend more than a customer.
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