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#7229096 - 12/26/12 Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.?
Deerwhacker444 Offline
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Registered: 10/05/09
Posts: 13937
Loc: OK
Is there a brand(s) of primers on the market that you just refuse to use.?

I'm trying to get my cousin started in reloading and I have a feeling his selections will be somewhat limited.

I've been reloading less than 10 years and have used basically Winchester primers for all my loads, so I don't have a large database to pull from.

Are there any brands that you don't like or refuse to buy due to quality or difficulty in working up a good load when using?

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#7229188 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
devnull Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 779
I stay away from Winchester primers due to 1) softer cup 2) hotter flash and 3) flame cutting issues with recent Win. primers due to weak cups.

I do prefer CCI and Federal. If loading a case that's been loaded a few times and primer pockets are opened up, I'll switch to Wolf/Tula primers due to their slightly larger size.

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#7229196 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: devnull]
Dave_in_WV Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 10/12/03
Posts: 7975
Loc: West Virginia
I use mostly Winchester large primers. I also use some Federal large rifle benchrst primers. When the Federals are gone I'll stick with Winchester.
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#7229291 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Dave_in_WV]
FC363 Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 04/20/07
Posts: 1711
I haven't had any Large Rifle primers that didn't work well. All of them gave acceptable accuracy and velocity.

As far as Small Rifle primers go, Fed205M, WinSR, and Rem 7 1/2 all worked well for me. CCI400 and Fed205's worked, but weren't all that accurate, and I actually had some BR4's fail to fire, which was especially aggravating since one of my really accurate loads used that primer with Benchmark powder.
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#7229381 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
Jim in Idaho Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 01/29/01
Posts: 16838
Loc: Idaho, USA
As a general rule with stick or flake powders I try to use the mildest primer that works well. According to the ratings I've seen that means Federal 210 and CCI-200 for rifles.

For .223 with TAC (ball powder) I use the hotter Winchester Small Rifle and have a few Remington 7 1/2 left over.

In pistols I always had a soft sport for CCI so go with CCI-300 and CCI-500. I also use Fed 150 and some Fed 100.

Only primers I ever had a problem with were a batch of Rem 9 1/2 large rifle. Two out of a box perforated right at the outer edge of the pocket, this with a very sane .270 load. They impressed me with how destructive a jet of gas can be. Two tiny pin pricks but they each burned away a divot from the bolt face of the Model 70.

I have some magnum primers in each style but don't use them hardly at all, maybe to experiment with now and then to see if they give better groups or lower SD's with ball powder.
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#7229569 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Jim in Idaho]
Jocko_Slugshot Offline
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Registered: 11/03/09
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Loc: De-tox
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#7229596 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Jocko_Slugshot]
Jocko_Slugshot Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 3927
Loc: De-tox
Ranked in order of power

Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP,

Brand/type Power Average Range Std. Dev

1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351

2 Federal 215 LRM 5.69 5.2-6.5 .4437

3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66 4.5-7.4 .4832

4 Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046

5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641

6 Winchester WLR 4.8 4.1-6.0 .4300

7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679

8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296

9 Federal 210 LR 4.62 3.7-5.5 .3997

10 CCI BR2 4.37 4.0-5.0 .2460

11 CCI 200 LR 4.28 3.8-4.8 .3218

12 KVB 7 LR Russian 4.27 3.8-4.8 .2213

13 Rem 91/2 (30 yrs old) 4.16 3.8-4.8 .3427
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#7229878 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Jocko_Slugshot]
the_shootist Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 05/21/03
Posts: 19004
Loc: NW Ontario, Canada
Living in the middle of nowhere with no place to buy components close by, I usually buy what I can get when I make it to Winnipeg or Thunder Bay. What I can usually get is Federal 210's and 215's as well as CCI 200's and 250's. I like them both, and cannot tell a lick of difference in the bunch. (Separated of course by regular and magnum varieties.)

My preference is the Federal 210, though, for no particular reason other than I have found accurate loads maybe a little quicker.
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#7229967 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: the_shootist]
gerrygoat Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 1803
Loc: B.C.
I use mostly CCI primers now and have had no real reason to switch other than getting some brass colored Remington 9 1/2 to be able to tell apart loads that have the same style bullets in different weights like the 200 and 225 gr Accubonds in 35 Whelen and the 260 and 300 gr Accubonds in the 375 Ruger. I don't think there are any bad ones from the big manufacturers like CCI, Federal, Winchester and Remington.
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#7229969 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: the_shootist]
Stormin_Norman Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 1374
Loc: Kalispell MT
Generally what I can find smile

CCI and Federal for the most part.

CCI is the most available around town. I'm glad I packed away 1k-2k of everything the last year.
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#7230128 - 12/26/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
SAUMHUNTER79 Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 1702
Loc: WI
I like in this order Federal 210M, 210, and 215M and 215, also CCI BR-2, 200, and 250 for Large Rifle and Large Rifle Magnum loads. I have used Winchester WLR and WLRM, Remington 9 1/2 and 9 1/2M as well. They work fine too, I just seem to find a good shooting load quicker with Federal and CCI primers in my experience, maybe I'm wrong or mistaken, but that's sure how it seems to go for me. I've been reloading for 22 years now, but I still learn new things all the time. If I didn't have the luxury of choice, I'd use any of the brands I mentioned, tinker until I find a good load, and not give it a second thought.

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#7230614 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: SAUMHUNTER79]
prm Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 10/27/08
Posts: 5330
Fan of BR2s. Seems all my most accurate loads are with them.

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#7230628 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
BrianSin Offline
Member

Registered: 12/23/12
Posts: 33
Ive gone to all federal primers, stocked up a couple years ago, and still have quite a bit left.

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#7231648 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: BrianSin]
archie_james_c Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 02/24/10
Posts: 1710
Loc: Peoples Republic of Kanada
To the WLR/WLRM fans, I have two partial bricks if you want them. That is if you can keep them from blowing holes in your bolt faces .

CCI for me from now on.
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#7231677 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: archie_james_c]
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Registered: 03/27/01
Posts: 5849
Loc: Mississippi
I use Federals mostly, but in cases that take small rifle primers I've been using CCI 450's and 400's.

The only one I absolutely refuse to use is Remington primers. I've had too many misfires and hangfires with remington factory ammo to ever trust their primers.

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#7233179 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Crow hunter]
nomad_archer Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 321
Loc: Brickerville/Lititz, PA
The local shop always has the federal 210M and 215M so thats what I use. I tried cci but ended up going back to federal since i develped my loads using the fed match primers.

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#7233379 - 12/27/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: nomad_archer]
OJVZ Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 386
Loc: Midlothian, TX USA
I started reloading about 1965. Don't do magnums or heavy loads. Load for 243, 6mm Rem, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 270 and 30-06.
I started with CCI 200 and still satisfied with their performance.

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#7235169 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: OJVZ]
16bore Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 02/19/10
Posts: 6319
CCI's for my rifles. Winchester for .45 acp and shotgun. Dunno why, just how it is.....

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#7236879 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: 16bore]
340mag Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 2340
Ive had several problems over the years with Remington primers failing to fire or hang fires in extremely cold weather,in my 375 H&H and 378 wby, never an issue with federal or Winchester so I just don,t use Remington any longer, I think part of the problem might be related to thicker and stiffer primer cup metal in the Remington because the indents don,t look as deep in the fired cases as they do with the fed,Winchester or CCI primers.
it was easy to tell because the GOLD color Remington vs the silver federal primers, I usually load up 120 cartridges for a hunting trip, just in case, but seldom use more than a couple to verify zero and one or two to kill game. one year I loaded about 200 because both my sons carry 340 wbys, and I loaded 40 with remingtons. both my older son and I had hang fires, both with the gold primers


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#7237147 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: 340mag]
jmp300wsm Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 07/14/04
Posts: 1080
Loc: Arizona
I too have had issues with Rem and Winchester failing to fire in mutiple calibers in all weather conditions. maybe I have just been unlucky? I switched to CCI many years ago and have had nothing but success with them in every gun I load for. Never tried Federals except in shotgun shells. So my vote goes to CCI.
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#7237369 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
5sdad Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 19775
Loc: South of Minnesota
I have found both speed and accuracy to fall off with Remington 9 1/2s compared to CCI 200s, WLRs, and Fed.210s.
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#7237659 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: 5sdad]
79inpa Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 01/28/08
Posts: 1079
I seem to burn a good deal of the cci's. But I have good loads for them all.

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#7237660 - 12/28/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: 5sdad]
Chainsaw Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 02/03/01
Posts: 958
Loc: Buzzards Breath Wi.
I mainly use RP 9 1/2M's and WLR's use WSP's and RP 1 1/2's. Also use RP 7 1/2's.

Seems to always be readily available and they have gone bang for me everytime.
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#7238350 - 12/29/12 Re: Primer selection - Likes and Dislikes.? [Re: Chainsaw]
scenarshooter Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 3812
Loc: Montana......NE Corner..
Russian made Tula Large Rifle Magnums are what I use in everything except my .338LM. I use F215MM in it.
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