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#7243078 - 12/30/12 01:53 AM Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns
Ngrumba Offline
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ALBERTVILLE, Alabama -- A state legislator from Marshall County wants to provide a legal pathway for to school administrators and teachers to carry guns to keep schools safe.

Rep. Kerry Rich, R-Albertville, said today he is planning to pre-file a bill for the state House of Representatives to consider when it goes into session in February.

Under Rich's plan, the bill would authorize a school system superintendent and board of education to identify and approve potential administrators and teachers to carry guns.

The plan potentially thrusts Alabama into the midst of the ongoing national debate on how best to keep schools safe in wake of the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook School in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 first-graders and six school employees dead.

Rich, who serves on the House Education Policy committee, pointed out that the principal at Sandy Hook, Dawn Hochsprung, encountered the shooter and attempted to stop him before being shot and killed.

"If she had had a gun, or someone in that school had a gun, they could have taken him out before he reached the students," Rich said. "That's all I'm trying to achieve here -- a way and a means where people have a way of protecting themselves and students in schools."

Rich said putting the decision of which school employees should carry guns in the hands of the superintendents and school boards would be most appropriate because they know the employees best.

"They know the people that work for them," he said. "They know their character and they know their background. They know if they be able to a handle a gun. These people would be required to go through the same training as far as handling a gun as a police officer would."

Rich said he has received favorable responses from other legislators he has discussed the bill with as well as law enforcement officials. He said he planned to have the bill ready when the Legislature goes into session on Feb. 5.

Rich said he was already considering similar legislation before the Connecticut shooting.

"I'm not saying this is what brought my attention to it but it's probably part of it," Rich said. "I've got a 6-year-old granddaughter in kindergarten now. Certainly I want her protected. I wanted all children protected. I don't want any of them to face this kind of situation."

Passing a restriction on guns would not be sufficient, Rich said.

"We need to be logical, we need to be realistic about this stuff," he said. "Passing another gun law is not going to help the solve problem, in my opinion. There are some things you can do maybe on the fringes of things. You don't want people with mental problems to be able to get guns. We don't want people convicted of felony -- especially convicted of crimes of violence -- to be able to get a gun. The only thing I would even think about in that regard would be at gun shows that you have to do a background check.

"I think the gun laws are basically adequate. We need better enforcement. If we would enforce the laws we have, they are probably adequate. The thing that's really bad, in my opinion, we have gotten to a point where our culture is in such a fix, these kinds of things happen."

Rich said he's "wide open" to entertaining other ideas on school safety. School safety will be at the forefront of a joint meeting between state representatives and senators on Jan. 9 that will include state Superintendent Tommy Bice as well as prosecutors and law enforcement officials, Rich said.

"I'm listening," he said. "I don't claim at all to have the corner on the market on the thinking on all this. I'm wide open listening to people and their ideas. This is one way that I think you could approach it that would be effective."
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#7243146 - 12/30/12 04:33 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: Ngrumba]
rod44 Offline
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Good idea.

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#7243457 - 12/30/12 06:57 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: rod44]
dye7barrel Offline
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Similar concept is being explored in WA although I don't anticipate much movement due to the libs in this state.

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#7243461 - 12/30/12 06:59 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: rod44]
2ndwind Offline
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Make the required training equal to what say a Federal air marshal gets and then pay the teachers extra for taking on the "sheep dog" role.... It should not be general knowledge who the highly trained teacher are....

Simple common sense solution..... Make it common knowledge that the program is in place....
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#7243468 - 12/30/12 07:02 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: 2ndwind]
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Registered: 01/14/04
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Loc: SW Missouri
My local rep here in Missouri brought up similar bill. Our great democratic governor said he'd veto it.

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#7243470 - 12/30/12 07:03 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: rod44]
EthanEdwards Offline
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Originally Posted By: rod44
Good idea.
No, it's not. Another reason why Alabama's education system is in the bottom ten nationally. For one thing, it doesn't address the Federal Law preventing guns in the schools. The state, locals and school board can pass any laws and regulations they want to, but it doesn't keep the Feds from coming into any district and rounding up those carrying guns for violating the Gun Free Schools Act of 1994. All it does is identify the participants. What needs to be done is simply remove the offending Federal Law and then let whomever can legally carry do so. My guess is a bunch of state laws against carrying guns as well as local ordinances and school board policies against same. Locales which refuse to allow responsible parties to protect school children and school employees and patrons can be held accountable if something happens. In the better places, such as Wyoming and Oklahoma, there will be few problems. In places like Connecticut, at least it takes the monkey off the back of the Feds and places it back with people closer to the kids themselves. You disarm somebody and IMO you become responsible for their protection. You remove obstacles to taking responsibility for peoples' protection and that of those in their charge, and you empower them to prevent future acts of violence.
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#7243483 - 12/30/12 07:09 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: rod44]
The_Real_Hawkeye Offline
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Originally Posted By: rod44
Good idea.
Yep, just like all that was needed to address 9/11 was to allow pilots to be armed and to reinforce their doors. But we got the TSA and the DHS anyway, i.e., big government "solutions."
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#7243491 - 12/30/12 07:12 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: EthanEdwards]
The_Real_Hawkeye Offline
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Registered: 06/12/02
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Loc: Northern Florida
Originally Posted By: EthanEdwards
Originally Posted By: rod44
Good idea.
No, it's not. Another reason why Alabama's education system is in the bottom ten nationally. For one thing, it doesn't address the Federal Law preventing guns in the schools. The state, locals and school board can pass any laws and regulations they want to, but it doesn't keep the Feds from coming into any district and rounding up those carrying guns for violating the Gun Free Schools Act of 1994. All it does is identify the participants. What needs to be done is simply remove the offending Federal Law and then let whomever can legally carry do so. My guess is a bunch of state laws against carrying guns as well as local ordinances and school board policies against same. Locales which refuse to allow responsible parties to protect school children and school employees and patrons can be held accountable if something happens. In the better places, such as Wyoming and Oklahoma, there will be few problems. In places like Connecticut, at least it takes the monkey off the back of the Feds and places it back with people closer to the kids themselves. You disarm somebody and IMO you become responsible for their protection. You remove obstacles to taking responsibility for peoples' protection and that of those in their charge, and you empower them to prevent future acts of violence.
Excellent reasoning, as usual for you, but I was under the impression that the Supreme Court struck down the Gun Free Schools Act of 1994.
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#7243530 - 12/30/12 07:25 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
1tnhunter Offline
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Loc: Tennessee
What happens if a smaller stature female who is the armed teacher is attack and disarmed by a much larger person?

I'm not in favor of teachers carrying guns. Just seems like another reason for some scumbag who has gone thru the 8th grade for the 3rd time to assault teachers.

What i'm in favor of is armed guards train in the use of firearms and in protection of civilians.

Teachers are paid to educate...Armed guards are paid to provide security.

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#7243566 - 12/30/12 07:33 AM Re: Proposed bill would allow school administrators, teachers to carry guns [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
2ndwind Offline
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Emphasize that psychological screening and training for extreme high stress shooting with frequent re qualifying being required.... Maybe post scores for the area sheep dog teachers in comparison to average LEO scores.... That should help to shut up the anti gun crowd .

My guess there would be elite top level instructors willing to donate their time and facilities..... Cost would be LOTS of training ammo, funding for rigorous psychological screening (sorry Hawkeye.... Don't even think about applying) and then significant bonus pay for the 2 or 3% who make the cut.....

It would work and work very well.
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