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I understand all that but it gets a little silly when 2 or 3 ounces makes or breaks it. Its all relative to what your goals are man. If I told you the things I used to do to lose an extra 5oz off the final weight of my loaded pack in preparation for a sheep hunt you'd think I was crazy! First year sheep hunting you start with a whole tooth brush and a little tube of tooth paste. The next year you cut 2/3 of your toothbrush handle off and squirt out most of your toothpaste, the next year you take no toothpaste and only an inch or so of toothbrush, the following year you scrap the teeth brushing experience completely. It can get downright silly but there are times when it all pays off.....or so you think!........grin
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The infatuation of flyweight scopes makes no sense to me.
Eat a Wheatie. The Zeiss 25X is a half pound heavier than the z5 25X. Does that make a difference?
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Do you really need a 25x scope on a mountain rifle Rich ?
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Great point^^^^^
Back on topic.....the 15x42 didnt seem as bright as the 25x, both set at 12x.
Subjective at best but that is what I saw. Same of the 44 compared to the 50 conquests. I always liked the 50 over the 44 in the 4-14 and 3.5-10.
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Do you really need a 25x scope on a mountain rifle Rich ? Only because my 30X is four ounces heavier.
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I understand all that but it gets a little silly when 2 or 3 ounces makes or breaks it. Its all relative to what your goals are man. If I told you the things I used to do to lose an extra 5oz off the final weight of my loaded pack in preparation for a sheep hunt you'd think I was crazy! First year sheep hunting you start with a whole tooth brush and a little tube of tooth paste. The next year you cut 2/3 of your toothbrush handle off and squirt out most of your toothpaste, the next year you take no toothpaste and only an inch or so of toothbrush, the following year you scrap the teeth brushing experience completely. It can get downright silly but there are times when it all pays off.....or so you think!........grin Sheep hunters are the minority of hunters by a long shot and they must all be on this forum. "Everybody" wants a LW scope. And, I hear what you are saying. I built a lightweight rig (7lbs and change)for the off chance I ever draw a Breaks tag.
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So while I was at DSC, I had to visit with Mr Alex Roy, as I do every year, and he made me a heck of a deal on a scope albeit not the new Zeiss, which he had.
That dude is top notch.
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Heck, a 3-9x40 Conquest is optically perfect for me on my WSM Montana. Perfect. But I don't like how it makes the rifle feel a bit top heavy my hands... Dolly Partin-izes the rifle as Dober used to say!
That same rifle feels nice with a 3-10x42 Swaro on it. Feels REALLY nice with a 2.5-8 Leup.
I like 3-9 Conquests on my long-action M700's; I bet the 2-10x42 would be fine too.
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You're killin me Jeff.
Finding it hard to believe when you throw that rifle up into your shoulder that you are having a hard time keeping the keel down? Please.
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The infatuation of flyweight scopes makes no sense to me.
Eat a Wheatie. The Zeiss 25X is a half pound heavier than the z5 25X. Does that make a difference? Might need a bowl of Wheaties then...with 2% milk.
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You're killin me Jeff.
Finding it hard to believe when you throw that rifle up into your shoulder that you are having a hard time keeping the keel down? Please. I didn't say anything about when I throw it up. I said it feels top-heavy in the hands. Ever carried a WSM Montana with a 3-9x40 Conquest?
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No.....how about a ti 700 06? 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Nope. My 7WSM is a custom gun with a Premier Hunter on it and we get along just fine.
Now I do have a M700 Ti 7-08 in a MR Edge with a Diavari 2.5-10x42 in Talley LWTs that is not top heavy. More apples to apples to your rifle.
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To each their own!
There's no way I'd put a heavy scope on my 7-08 MR.
One scope I'd like to mess with on my light guns is the (Bob! you hold your tongue now!) Swarovski Z3 3-9x36. I looked through one the other day and it was pretty spectacular. Better than my 3-10x42 AV, I thought.
I wish Zeiss would put the optics and mechanical reliability of the 3-9x40 Conquest into an 11-oz scope. Not possible, I'm sure, but I can dream!
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To each their own!
There's no way I'd put a heavy scope on my 7-08 MR.
I didnt. Scope only weighs 15.sumptin ounces. I usually take a crap before I hit the woods and that is prolly good for a 2 pound loss, dependant on last night's dinner. Well offsets the ounce or two more my scope may weigh over an inferior offering. So I'm good.
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You're killin me Jeff.
Finding it hard to believe when you throw that rifle up into your shoulder that you are having a hard time keeping the keel down? Please. I had a remington 700 KS in 280 and I had a 3-9x40 conquest on it . I purchased a new 2.5-xx36 VXII and put it on it in lieu of the conquest. There was a definite difference in handling.
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Back on topic.
I know someone else has seen these new scopes and has an opinion to share.
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You're killin me Jeff.
Finding it hard to believe when you throw that rifle up into your shoulder that you are having a hard time keeping the keel down? Please. I had a remington 700 KS in 280 and I had a 3-9x40 conquest on it . I purchased a new 2.5-xx36 VXII and put it on it in lieu of the conquest. There was a definite difference in handling. Hey Oldelk! So which scope was heavier/lighter and which felt as though it handled better? Thx, Bob
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You're killin me Jeff.
Finding it hard to believe when you throw that rifle up into your shoulder that you are having a hard time keeping the keel down? Please. I had a remington 700 KS in 280 and I had a 3-9x40 conquest on it . I purchased a new 2.5-xx36 VXII and put it on it in lieu of the conquest. There was a definite difference in handling. Hey Oldelk! So which scope was heavier/lighter and which felt as though it handled better? Thx, Bob Even though there might be a 2-3 ounce difference between a Conquest 3-9 and a Leupold VXIII 2.5-8 it felt like there was no scope on the rifle with the leupold mounted. I was using Leupold DD rings BTW
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So while I was at DSC, I had to visit with Mr Alex Roy, as I do every year, and he made me a heck of a deal on a scope albeit not the new Zeiss, which he had.
That dude is top notch. I couldn't agree more. He is top shelf and unlike lots of retailers he really knows optics and really understands what he is selling. BTW, did you get a chance to talk to the head Meopta optical engineer that was in that booth? That is one way sharp fella, and very helpful. That new 80+mm spotter is really nice.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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