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#7263417 - 01/03/13 01:39 PM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: ppine]
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Originally Posted By: ppine
Dignified means having some self-respect. Personally I would never go on a long pack trip with a bunch of plastic equipment made for newbies. Have enough respect for the noble art to learn the traditional way of doing things.

Nothing personal ppine, but I have to throw the BS flag on that.

Do what you want and how you want. There is more than one way to skin the ol' feline, and folks do what works for them.

And those green colored adjustable pack saddles? They fit the horse better than 'regular' sawbucks and deckers. That's respect for the beast.
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#7263753 - 01/03/13 02:42 PM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: Cocadori]
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Sorry,I'm out on anything that Romanticizes feral horses.

putting it politely.

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#7264681 - 01/03/13 05:41 PM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: rosco1]
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I agree with you Rosco1. A good percentage of them belong in a can.

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#7268040 - 01/04/13 01:08 PM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: saddlesore]
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Saddlesore,
Our opinions diverge. I have been on the Test Site also with an armed escort working on a government contract.

I have seen plenty of decent wild horses there, but your impression may be greatly influenced by the year. In a decent year this is sufficient forage and the animals are in good body condition with a lot of energy. In a bad year they walk around with their heads down and can't get out of their own way.

Once you gain a mustangs trust, like a mule then you have a chance to have something. Pretty only gets you so far with equines. Mustangs' self-preservation instinct and their feet alone make them desirable for tough jobs and tough country. Every horse or mule man has to decide if they want to get the job done safely, or just try to look good.


Edited by ppine (01/04/13 01:09 PM)
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#7275626 - 01/06/13 09:29 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: ppine]
ppine Offline
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Fellow packers,
The fact that this group proposes to cut corners by using Ralide, plastic buckle together gizmos hints at a much larger problem. Managing pack animals on a long trip requires many other kinds of experience. As an example the stock for the proposed trip is coming from many different places. These animals will likely not have been intoduced before they are tied together and asked to go down the trail. I would give a $100 to see a video of their first day. There will be packs and dunnage strewn for miles, with some animals on their backs in a heap, and some running back to the stock trailers.

Keeping backs from getting sore and keeping weight on a long trip are other examples that take experience. They will encounter rock slides, bears, mountain lions, darkness, blizzards lots of other stuff. Swimming a pack string or jumping logs in the dark with a pack string is not for the uninitiated.

I have been in Texas. My brother lived outside Austin for 20 years and my ex-wife is a UT graduate. Texas boys are good ropers from all that arena time. Some are good with cattle, but they come from flat hot country. A summer wrangling dudes surely has opened their eyes.

They would be well advised to spend some time with some people that know how to pack for a few weeks before embarking on such an ambitious venture. Maybe they can find a packer to go with them for the first week or two.

I am disappointed that more people can't see the contributions made by modern mustangs to the horse world. They are actually a great choice for a trip such as the one being proposed. I just hope that the boys from Texas get some help before they head out.
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#7276250 - 01/06/13 11:55 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: ppine]
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Ppine. It's not that there there have not been contributions by mustangs,but buying a horse is the cheap part and there are many many breeds of horses that are bred for a particular task in mind that have contributed a lot more.

With a mustang,you have no idea of it's past breeding and the possibility of getting one with Spanish Barb blood lines are slim to none.

That broom tail might have come out of blood lines that were from heavy draft horses, thorobreds, horses that had some genetic deficiency,or just plain rank horses that someone didn't have the moxy to put down when they should have. The stallion that sired any particulr horse,might just have sired that animals damn, 4-5 generations back and every generation in between.

If I were considering such a trip,I would be looking at feet both size and shape, backs, general conformation that would give me a little bit more assurance that that animal would be up to the task and dispositions that I would not have to fight all the time. Just saying that mustangs are all up to the job,just don't cut it. Sure some mustangs will fit the bill, but it's like saying everone should ride a mule and you know that ain't gospel.
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#7279624 - 01/07/13 07:14 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: saddlesore]
ppine Offline
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Sore,
We all have respect for your opinion. As a mule man, I would point out the similarities of mustangs to long ears.

We can use a dog analogy. I love dogs and currently have 3 purebred herding dogs. One has problems with his hips, and one has a wolverine temperment. My crossbred dogs of similar breeds have had none of these problems. Imagine feral dogs that have to fend for themselves. The weak and specialized dogs get weeded out. Only the strong ones survive to reproduce.

My thinking about mustangs has gone full circle. I am tired of quarter horses with big round feet that flake off
and like to buck for fun. They eat too much and sometimes aren't very nimble in the steep stuff. Being cowy makes up for it some of the time. If you don't like mustangs you have probably never ridden a good one. They are very common around here and are able to compete with other breeds chasing cows, in the backcountry, for endurance riding, trail trials, and for everyday use like feed lots and US Border Patrol.

The last mule I owned that really hurt me cost $5000 and came from far away.


Edited by ppine (01/07/13 07:17 AM)
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#7280166 - 01/07/13 09:17 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: ppine]
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Pine. I think you know what you talk about. The reasons you stated are why I ride mules and I don't buy other peopels troubles. I have raised all mine that I keep myself. Looking back,I have never bought a mature mule that I was completely happy about.

Don't doubt that there are good riding mustangs out there ,but just like the fairy tale,one has to kiss a lot of frogs before finding a prince.Probably true for finding any good riding critter.
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#7280232 - 01/07/13 09:42 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: saddlesore]
ppine Offline
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Saddlesore,
I like to converse with reasonable people especially when they have experience. I hope you will give a mustang a chance in the future.

To get back on topic, we can all hope the men from Texas get some packing experience before they head out on a 3000 mile journey.
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#7280383 - 01/07/13 10:20 AM Re: A 3000 mile trip on Mustangs! [Re: ppine]
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I'm afraid at my age,I'm past starting any more horses or mules. This last mule I have raised will out last me and I doubt I will be buying any more horses in my life time.
I wish those guys every sucess in thier trip.I'd sure like to go along
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