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#7277175 - 01/06/13 03:39 PM 45-70 14" TC...thoughts?
Blueranger Offline
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I have been looking on and off for 'bout a year for 14" 45-70 barrel for my TC G2. Well I found a complete TC Contender G1 with a 14" SSK 45-70 barrel with their Arrestor muzzle break. The whole package is at a great price. Now I'm getting some cold feet before I pull the trigger and buy it.

Anyone here have any experience with a 45-70 single shot pistol? How bad is the recoil? I have shot the 375 JDJ out of a Contender before and managed. I wouldn't shot it all day, but the 375 is workable in 3-8 (max) shots at a time. Also, has anyone hand loaded for the 45-70 with a 250 grainer?

Thanx in advance.

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#7277660 - 01/06/13 05:08 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Blueranger]
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the 45/70 is versatile, and you can handload it to any level you are comfortable in shooting. The TC brake is fairly effective at reducing muzzle flip, though you still get a fair bit of straight back recoil with upper end loads.

i shoot the .375jdj as well, and several of the 45/70 loads loads i shoot using 300's are more pleasant to shoot than full-house .375jdj loads.

i never went below 300's in my 45/70 barrels....i shoot mostly 300's for deer/hogs, and 350's for larger stuff.

if you are a handloader, dont let recoil concerns stop you if the rig is priced right.
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#7277759 - 01/06/13 05:24 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: FyrepowrX]
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I had a 12" SSK on a G1. It was Magnaported. The recoil wasn't bad with Trapdoor level loads. It was highly accurate. The Remington 405 factory load probably wouldn't be bad.
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#7277805 - 01/06/13 05:30 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Blueranger]
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I was shooting a G1 SSK375JDJ at the same time a buddy was shooting a G1 45-70. The recoil from the 375 was fast and straight back.
The 45-70 also had a brake with holes all around (don't remember the make) and it's recoil was IMO not as fast and the barrel jumped up a little at firing.
Not bad to shoot the 45-70, the 375 was much less fun, and is gone even though it was stupid accurate.
My buddy was having trouble getting all the powder to burn in the 45-70. (we layed a tarp on the ground in front of the pistol and fired)
I remember we tried some light Alpha Le Frank .458 spitzers.
Wrong, what was needed in his barrel was a 400 gr bullet with a heavy crimp to help get the pressures up so the powder burned properly.

The recoil increased but so did the accuracy and consistency.

These days I do wonder about the Hornady 250gr Mono Flex bullets though.
I'll be trying them in an XLR Marlin myself, with short Hornady brass of course.
Good luck!

P.S. a good shooting glove does wonders.



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#7278082 - 01/06/13 06:13 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: colodog]
Blueranger Offline
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Thanx for the info so far. Sound like the 45-70 should not be any worst than the 375, and likely better. It is interesting that the heavy, by weight, loads sound to shoot better. I guess my follow up question would be, has anyone reloaded any semi-spitzer type bullets? If so any better results? Less drop, better groups, anything. I'm thinking Barnes Original, TSX or TTSX or Hornady Mono Flex or Flex Tip, etc?

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#7278142 - 01/06/13 06:24 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Blueranger]
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I've also fired an unported .444 Super 14 with Remington factory ammo. It was worse than my .45-70.
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#7278165 - 01/06/13 06:28 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Blueranger]
FyrepowrX Offline
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i have loaded for spitzers, bought a few to try in my #1-s for chitts & giggles......but in the end, in keeping recoil manageable in the TC (moderate powder charges & velocties) spitzers arent going to significantly increase range, and were no more accurate in my barrels than a good FP, RN, or HP load that the gun liked.

the 45/70 rocks, very versatile in performance...one of the best woods-calibers for the TC's...but has its range limitations. but, it kills the hell outa stuff within its effective range.
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#7278175 - 01/06/13 06:29 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Swampman700]
FyrepowrX Offline
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Originally Posted By: Swampman700
I've also fired an unported .444 Super 14 with Remington factory ammo. It was worse than my .45-70.


ditto for my .445supermag with 300's....hard & fast vicious recoil smack.
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#7278426 - 01/06/13 07:20 PM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: Blueranger]
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Originally Posted By: Blueranger
I have been looking on and off for 'bout a year for 14" 45-70 barrel for my TC G2. Well I found a complete TC Contender G1 with a 14" SSK 45-70 barrel with their Arrestor muzzle break. The whole package is at a great price. Now I'm getting some cold feet before I pull the trigger and buy it.

Anyone here have any experience with a 45-70 single shot pistol? How bad is the recoil? I have shot the 375 JDJ out of a Contender before and managed. I wouldn't shot it all day, but the 375 is workable in 3-8 (max) shots at a time. Also, has anyone hand loaded for the 45-70 with a 250 grainer?

Thanx in advance.


PM THOMASMAGNUM. He has one and has spent quite a bit of time with it.

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#7280450 - 01/07/13 10:40 AM Re: 45-70 14" TC...thoughts? [Re: APDDSN0864]
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I run an 11" .45-70 Contender with no brake, and its really not that bad. I have two loads now that I have basically settled on for my set-up.


One load is essentially a duplicate of the 405gr cast cowboy level load. Its sort of my plinking load for the gun.


The other is a load I worked up with the intent of hunting something big and nasty. The bullet is the 420gr WLN from Cast Precision over RL-7. Its certainly more recoil than the above load, but still not a wrist wrecker.

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