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#7285786 - 01/08/13 Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ?
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You who have killed stuff with it, what sort of expansion and penetration do you get at various ranges ? what would you say is it's minimum impact velocity for expansion ?
Any problems with them breaking up too fast ? E

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#7286087 - 01/08/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Eremicus]
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I've used that bullet and seen it used many, many times by friends who shoot .308's and 30/06's. I never seen that bullet break up too fast. Even on close in shots. I think that the jackets are pretty hard. I've seen four mature bull elk taken with it at 350, 488, 540 and 630 yards. Two were broadside rib shots and two were shoulder shots. The rib shot bulls were dead on their feet and never went more than 20 yards. The front shouldered bulls were dropped instantly and never moved. The bullet broke both shoulders and left a 1.5" exit holes on both of them.

Both of the .308's that I hunt with, drive that bullet at 2950fps. It's an incredibly accurate bullet.

I can post some pictures of those bulls, if you want to have a look.


Edited by scenarshooter (01/08/13)
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#7287083 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Care to compare it to the Bergers you've been shooting? Does the Scenar seem to penetrate a couple of inches and then expand violently like Bergers are supposed to?

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#7287464 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: seven_miller]
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scenar, what is the best long range hunting bullet currently out there for a 30-06??
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#7288242 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: cumminscowboy]
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I wonder if it expands at all. With the empty nose and being so tail heavy I suspect it tumbles. Ever seen any elongated exits?

Has anyone ever recovered one?
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#7290074 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Bigfoot]
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I have now taken 2 elk with the 155gr Scenar. 1 out of a custom 30-06, and the other out of my GAP 308. Both bullets exited, both elk were DRT. Exits look like there is plenty of expansion, and lungs are jelly. Not much to not like with this bullet, IMO.

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#7290302 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Huntr]
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Scenarshooter

Have you run other weights of same bullet? I'm just curious about the expansion of others vs something like a bergers expansion.

I'm generally more inclined to shoot heavier weights than a lot of folks do.

So far the target version of the Berger has done really well for me.

Thanks, Jeff
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#7290375 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Thanks Scenarshooter. Appreciate the imput. E

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#7290417 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: rost495]
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Jeff,

I've shot the 167gr scenar and the 185gr version in several .308's. They shot very well on paper and steel, but I have hardly any experience shooting big game with those two .308 diameter bullets. It was hard to use anything but the 155's after seeing how well they shot. It(155gr)actually has a higher BC than the 167gr. I'll bet those 185's would really shine in a 30/06 or .300WM.

Are you shooting the 185 Bergers? .308 Win.?
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#7290483 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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I normally aim for the ribcage, behind the shoulder....as you can see, the bullet took this bull more or less through the right front shoulder as he was slowly walking toward the timber broadside. The range was 350 yards. I had time to put the adjustment in the scope, and was set up prone on top of a flat rock. It was a good solid set up and there was no wind. I was holding on the front of his chest. He dropped on the spot and never moved. The 155 left probably a 1 1/2", round exit on the left shoulder.
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#7290537 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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My pal Don with a mule deer buck taken with his 30/06 and a 155gr scenar. This buck was less than 100 yards and was hit broadside, behind the shoulder. He ran maybe 50 yards before piling up. There was a good looking exit on the off side.
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#7290652 - 01/09/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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This black bear was a good test for the 155gr scenar. I spotted him right before dark working some green grass along a strip of Douglas Fir. He was 490 yards from where I was sitting. There was a small bunch of elk between us, so the shot would have to be made from where I was. Just a gentle breeze in my face was all I could find for wind. I voice howled like a coyote to get him to stop and look my way. He wasn't perfectly broadside so I had to hold near his left hip to angle the bullet towards the off shoulder. When I fired, the recoil knocked me back just enough that I didn't see the impact. I saw him trotting toward the heavy cover, not running, but slowing down to a walk just before he went out of sight. I land marked the spot in my mind and made my way over there. He was dead only a few yards from where I saw him go out of view. The bullet hit very close to where I was aiming and exited just behind his right front shoulder.

Interesting note on this bear, he was 12 years old and I guessed him to weigh around 300 pounds. He had the biggest feet I've ever seen on a black bear. Some of the best fur too.
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#7291594 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Scenarshooter,

What about big elk and deer, though? grin

In all seriousness, my range shop had some 155 Scenars, and I picked up a box. I shoot a 30-06, and have about 8.5 lbs of IMR4350. Have you tried IMR4350 with the 155s in a 30-06?

v/r
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#7292002 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: joelkdouglas]
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Has anyone ran the 6.5mm 123gr Scenar on deer sized game?

Thanks
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#7293272 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Originally Posted By: scenarshooter
Jeff,

I've shot the 167gr scenar and the 185gr version in several .308's. They shot very well on paper and steel, but I have hardly any experience shooting big game with those two .308 diameter bullets. It was hard to use anything but the 155's after seeing how well they shot. It(155gr)actually has a higher BC than the 167gr. I'll bet those 185's would really shine in a 30/06 or .300WM.

Are you shooting the 185 Bergers? .308 Win.?


Yes exactly. 185 VLD target bergers, 308 26 inch rock tube.

I just still have an old aversion to light bullets from when we started shooting targets out to 1000. ANd have an aversion to large exit wounds and lots of meat damage but thats just my problem. Luckily.

I keep thinking of trying the 155s since they have a high BC, but keep thinking of how frangible they might be. But you may have just convinced me to see how they'd go out of a 10 twist... if you only have 1.5 inch exit out of elk shoulders then its not blowing up like a BT either and maybe not quite like a berger hunting version either.

Thanks, Jeff
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#7293563 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: rost495]
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They've worked well with 1-11"....I'll bet they would shoot fine with a 1-10".

I agree, the jackets are harder than Berger Hunting VLD's.

I can send you a handful to try if you'd like.
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#7293752 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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sencarshooter,

Compare the 155 Berger .308 'Hunting' to the Sencar 155 for game where the angle may vary besides broadside hits.

The cartridge would be the 30-06 and a 300 magnum.

Also is there a performance difference on game between the:
LAPUA .308 155 HPBT and the
LAPUA .308 155 HPBT SJ ?

Thank you for your input.
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#7293817 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Savage_99]
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The 155 SJ(silver jacket) is just a fancy name for moly coated. There would be no difference on expansion.

My opinion is the scenar will out penetrate the Berger Hunting VLD.

As far as "raking shots" are concerned, I probably wouldn't try it on elk sized critters, but I don't really like that shot with any bullet on larger big game animals. Only my opinion.
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#7293859 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Large, mature mule deer buck I took with my Surgeon .308 and one 155gr scenar at 514 yards about five years ago. He was chasing a doe and was unaware of me. I waited for the perfect shot, hitting him through the ribs. He went less than 50 yards. The bullet exited.


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#7293929 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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You're killing me. Can't wait to get my 308 and try out the Scenars.

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#7294006 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: SLM]
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My brother in law's buck he shot back in 2006....same bullet. If I remember right, it was around 300 yards. This one came out on our backs. Remote section of the Missouri Breaks.
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#7294237 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Originally Posted By: scenarshooter


Large, mature mule deer buck I took with my Surgeon .308 and one 155gr scenar at 514 yards about five years ago. He was chasing a doe and was unaware of me. I waited for the perfect shot, hitting him through the ribs. He went less than 50 yards. The bullet exited.


Must be one of those Canadian bucks that got lost. Great looking deer!

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#7294316 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Sask_Hunter]
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I still like those bucks that come out in backpacks.

Means I was hunting some good country.

With good bullets and someone who can shoot, the little ol' .308 is capable of more than most will credit it with. Easy to shoot and easy on barrels too - so a guy can actually shoot it enough to get good, real good!

Guy

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#7294611 - 01/10/13 Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: GuyM]
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+1...on both the backpacks and .308's!
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