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#7290537 - 01/09/13 02:09 PM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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My pal Don with a mule deer buck taken with his 30/06 and a 155gr scenar. This buck was less than 100 yards and was hit broadside, behind the shoulder. He ran maybe 50 yards before piling up. There was a good looking exit on the off side.
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#7290652 - 01/09/13 02:35 PM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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This black bear was a good test for the 155gr scenar. I spotted him right before dark working some green grass along a strip of Douglas Fir. He was 490 yards from where I was sitting. There was a small bunch of elk between us, so the shot would have to be made from where I was. Just a gentle breeze in my face was all I could find for wind. I voice howled like a coyote to get him to stop and look my way. He wasn't perfectly broadside so I had to hold near his left hip to angle the bullet towards the off shoulder. When I fired, the recoil knocked me back just enough that I didn't see the impact. I saw him trotting toward the heavy cover, not running, but slowing down to a walk just before he went out of sight. I land marked the spot in my mind and made my way over there. He was dead only a few yards from where I saw him go out of view. The bullet hit very close to where I was aiming and exited just behind his right front shoulder.

Interesting note on this bear, he was 12 years old and I guessed him to weigh around 300 pounds. He had the biggest feet I've ever seen on a black bear. Some of the best fur too.
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#7291594 - 01/09/13 06:00 PM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Scenarshooter,

What about big elk and deer, though? grin

In all seriousness, my range shop had some 155 Scenars, and I picked up a box. I shoot a 30-06, and have about 8.5 lbs of IMR4350. Have you tried IMR4350 with the 155s in a 30-06?

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#7292002 - 01/09/13 07:20 PM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: joelkdouglas]
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Has anyone ran the 6.5mm 123gr Scenar on deer sized game?

Thanks
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#7293272 - 01/10/13 06:41 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
rost495 Offline
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Originally Posted By: scenarshooter
Jeff,

I've shot the 167gr scenar and the 185gr version in several .308's. They shot very well on paper and steel, but I have hardly any experience shooting big game with those two .308 diameter bullets. It was hard to use anything but the 155's after seeing how well they shot. It(155gr)actually has a higher BC than the 167gr. I'll bet those 185's would really shine in a 30/06 or .300WM.

Are you shooting the 185 Bergers? .308 Win.?


Yes exactly. 185 VLD target bergers, 308 26 inch rock tube.

I just still have an old aversion to light bullets from when we started shooting targets out to 1000. ANd have an aversion to large exit wounds and lots of meat damage but thats just my problem. Luckily.

I keep thinking of trying the 155s since they have a high BC, but keep thinking of how frangible they might be. But you may have just convinced me to see how they'd go out of a 10 twist... if you only have 1.5 inch exit out of elk shoulders then its not blowing up like a BT either and maybe not quite like a berger hunting version either.

Thanks, Jeff
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#7293563 - 01/10/13 07:54 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: rost495]
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They've worked well with 1-11"....I'll bet they would shoot fine with a 1-10".

I agree, the jackets are harder than Berger Hunting VLD's.

I can send you a handful to try if you'd like.
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#7293752 - 01/10/13 08:46 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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sencarshooter,

Compare the 155 Berger .308 'Hunting' to the Sencar 155 for game where the angle may vary besides broadside hits.

The cartridge would be the 30-06 and a 300 magnum.

Also is there a performance difference on game between the:
LAPUA .308 155 HPBT and the
LAPUA .308 155 HPBT SJ ?

Thank you for your input.
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#7293817 - 01/10/13 09:01 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: Savage_99]
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The 155 SJ(silver jacket) is just a fancy name for moly coated. There would be no difference on expansion.

My opinion is the scenar will out penetrate the Berger Hunting VLD.

As far as "raking shots" are concerned, I probably wouldn't try it on elk sized critters, but I don't really like that shot with any bullet on larger big game animals. Only my opinion.
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#7293859 - 01/10/13 09:11 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Large, mature mule deer buck I took with my Surgeon .308 and one 155gr scenar at 514 yards about five years ago. He was chasing a doe and was unaware of me. I waited for the perfect shot, hitting him through the ribs. He went less than 50 yards. The bullet exited.


Edited by scenarshooter (01/10/13 09:45 AM)
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#7293929 - 01/10/13 09:31 AM Re: Expansion characteristics of the Lapua Scenar, 155 gr. .308 ? [Re: scenarshooter]
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You're killing me. Can't wait to get my 308 and try out the Scenars.

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