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I will start with, I have no interest in getting any of these at this time. Excluding the price of brass, which do you think is the best performer? Looking at a balance of recoil, accuracy, barrel life, and range. As easy at it is to say .300 UM or WM, I got to shoot an UM not too long ago, and even though the recoil wasn't as bad as I thought, I can't see shooting 5+ rounds through it being 'fun'. On the other side, the 30-30 is very low recoil, but it's performance isn't near its fellow 30 cals, except in heavy brush. The 30-06 is great, but it's performance isn't really as good as i'de like either. I personally think the .300 Win Mag and the .308 Norma Mag are the best rounded, but, some say the Norma has better performance, some say the Win Mag, so assuming they have identical ballistics, what are the other features? Identical recoil, 300 Win Mag has one extra grain of powder from what i've read but gets no performance boost from it, the only noticeable difference is the neck length, with the Norma's slightly longer. But is being able to seat bullets slightly deeper really a noticeable advantage?

I really enjoy learning new things about these kinds of things so anybody's input would be appreciated. I know I left out alot, the WSM, SAUM, 30-338, etc. but those are still easily contenders in my books. On a side note, I was doing some random exploration on google and found a wildcat, the 30-404 Jeff. If anyone knows anything about it i'de love to know, information on it is scarce. Although if I had to guess the barrel life on it would be horrendously short. Thanks for reading!

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I'd say the SAUM, due to brass life. I prefer to avoid belted magnums. Also, the 30/06 pushing 155gr Bergers out of a 26in barrel is nothing to snear at.

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Myself I'd go 300 Win Mag.But would also consider the 300 WSM and the 300 Roy.

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Originally Posted by BagABuck
I will start with, I have no interest in getting any of these at this time. Excluding the price of brass, which do you think is the best performer? Looking at a balance of recoil, accuracy, barrel life, and range. As easy at it is to say .300 UM or WM, I got to shoot an UM not too long ago, and even though the recoil wasn't as bad as I thought, I can't see shooting 5+ rounds through it being 'fun'. On the other side, the 30-30 is very low recoil, but it's performance isn't near its fellow 30 cals, except in heavy brush. The 30-06 is great, but it's performance isn't really as good as i'de like either. I personally think the .300 Win Mag and the .308 Norma Mag are the best rounded, but, some say the Norma has better performance, some say the Win Mag, so assuming they have identical ballistics, what are the other features? Identical recoil, 300 Win Mag has one extra grain of powder from what i've read but gets no performance boost from it, the only noticeable difference is the neck length, with the Norma's slightly longer. But is being able to seat bullets slightly deeper really a noticeable advantage?

I really enjoy learning new things about these kinds of things so anybody's input would be appreciated. I know I left out alot, the WSM, SAUM, 30-338, etc. but those are still easily contenders in my books. On a side note, I was doing some random exploration on google and found a wildcat, the 30-404 Jeff. If anyone knows anything about it i'de love to know, information on it is scarce. Although if I had to guess the barrel life on it would be horrendously short. Thanks for reading!


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308 norma mag,not the most popular,but will do anything the other 30's will do. Brass from Norma, or use 338 win mag,7mag,300 win mag, 300 H&H, all available and easy to get. Just my preference.

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Had a pair of 300 WSM they both shot well but my next 300 will be a Weatherby. For now I am happy with my .338 WM for now.


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Lonie at Hornady has proven beyond doubt that shorter necks cause barrels to wear faster. Maybe twice or three times as fast. With that being said, I would recommend the .300 Weatherby. It uses less powder than the RUM and can easily get more velocity than the .300 WM.


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The .30-06 is never a mistake.....


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Huh, I never knew that. Thanks for the info!

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Originally Posted by Ringman
Lonie at Hornady has proven beyond doubt that shorter necks cause barrels to wear faster. Maybe twice or three times as fast. With that being said, I would recommend the .300 Weatherby. It uses less powder than the RUM and can easily get more velocity than the .300 WM.



Can you please elaborate on this...............would be interesting to know!!!

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+1, I'd like to hear more on that also.



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Originally Posted by BagABuck
I will start with, I have no interest in getting any of these at this time. Excluding the price of brass, which do you think is the best performer? Looking at a balance of recoil, accuracy, barrel life, and range. As easy at it is to say .300 UM or WM, I got to shoot an UM not too long ago, and even though the recoil wasn't as bad as I thought, I can't see shooting 5+ rounds through it being 'fun'. On the other side, the 30-30 is very low recoil, but it's performance isn't near its fellow 30 cals, except in heavy brush. The 30-06 is great, but it's performance isn't really as good as i'de like either. I personally think the .300 Win Mag and the .308 Norma Mag are the best rounded, but, some say the Norma has better performance, some say the Win Mag, so assuming they have identical ballistics, what are the other features? Identical recoil, 300 Win Mag has one extra grain of powder from what i've read but gets no performance boost from it, the only noticeable difference is the neck length, with the Norma's slightly longer. But is being able to seat bullets slightly deeper really a noticeable advantage?

I really enjoy learning new things about these kinds of things so anybody's input would be appreciated. I know I left out alot, the WSM, SAUM, 30-338, etc. but those are still easily contenders in my books. On a side note, I was doing some random exploration on google and found a wildcat, the 30-404 Jeff. If anyone knows anything about it i'de love to know, information on it is scarce. Although if I had to guess the barrel life on it would be horrendously short. Thanks for reading!


The 30-404 is a 300 Dakota


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I knew the parent case of the 7mm Dakota was the 404, I should have known.

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rahtreelimbs,

Lonie and I had a few conversations about cartridges before I made my last wildcat. He told me he does 1000 yard competition. He said his first "test" was with a .243 Win necked to .224. He didn't even get 500 rounds before it lost its competitive accuracy. He then did a .244 Rem with which he got 2,000 rounds of competitive accuracy. He check with the guys who do the bullet testing and load developing. They told him the cases like the .234, .300 Win Mag, 7 Rem Mag and all the new short fat magnum barrels get replaced at about 350 rounds.

Therefore my newest .224 wildcat is a .264 Win Mag neck down and shortened to achieve .30-06 case capacity with a 7/16" long neck. The case diameter to the neck diameter is 2.1:1. I modeled it after the new 5x35 neck and shoulder. That is suppose to be good. I don't know if it is, but it looks cool.


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350 rounds on a 7 Rem huh. Interesting... whistle

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Baloney......you might want to call George at GA precision and tell him his 7 WSM is about 2000 rounds over due

If you fired 350 rounds one right after the other I could believe it, but most here aren't building a comp rifle, and Competition rifles in 7 wsm last 1000 + rounds of great accuracy, I just don't buy it.........!!!

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Baloney......you might want to call George at GA precision and tell him his 7 WSM is about 2000 rounds over due

If you fired 350 rounds one right after the other I could believe it, but most here aren't building a comp rifle, and Competition rifles in 7 wsm last 1000 + rounds of great accuracy, I just don't buy it.........!!!


Let's suppose George at GA has 2,350 rounds down his 7 WSM barrel and he is still pleased with it accuracy. If it had a longer neck he might get 5,350 rounds of his level of accuracy.

Your statement remind me of a young man I worked with for awhile. He was convinced if he didn't think it it could not possibly be true. smile


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I have a fairly open mind....but thats not what you eluded to, there are lots of ways to make a barrel last longer, keeping heat down is is the biggest factor, a longer neck could possibly make a little differece buy keeping the flame temp down and in the brass longer but I don't see it making the differences you are claiming......just because they told you 350 rounds max ,doesn't mean you have to believe them! smile

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