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#7241143 - 12/29/12 01:44 PM 356 & 358 Win the same?
Dogslife57 Offline
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Asked this on another forum but thought I would check here also. Looked at dies and they are labeled for both rounds. Are they the same brass, loading data etc? I got a 356 on the way, and was thinking of getting a BLR 358 later this year.
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#7241370 - 12/29/12 02:54 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: Dogslife57]
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not the same brass. 356 is rimmed and 358 rimless all other diamentions the same. all the pressure data i've ever seen has the 356 loaded a little lighter(40-45000 CUP) than the 358 (44-50,000 CUP).


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#7241986 - 12/29/12 05:25 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: 451whitworth]
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Great thanks, that explains using the same dies.
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#7258933 - 01/02/13 03:00 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: Dogslife57]
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Same pressure for both, 52K CUP
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#7302122 - 01/12/13 07:26 AM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: Steelhead]
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Right, the real difference is the shorter COAL which slightly changes the load data.
My 20” 356 will push the 200-grain bullets above 2,350 fprs using Alliant Reloder 10.
The 22” Savage 99 will beat that by 100 fps or a bit more due to the longer COAL and barrel..
The Marlin 356 will cycle and extract the rimless 358 loaded to a COAL of 2.550”. There was an article and a lot of “to-do” about a Jim Carmichael article on the 356 Rimless a few years ago - the 35 Remington re-chambered to 358 Winchester and loaded as the 356.
The Winchester Model 94AE has trouble with rimless cartridges as the cartridge stop is a bit low. With two or more cartridges in the magazine tube the second cartridge will jump the cartridge stop and come under the lifter tying up the action. The cartridge stop could be re-worked but there is no need. If the 356 brass supply ever dries up it can be formed from 444 Marlin with no difficulty.
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#7303653 - 01/12/13 02:27 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: william_iorg]
Dogslife57 Offline
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Since this gun will be used in Maine and maybe PA too, to deer hunt the thick stuff with open sights, I expect shots to be measured in feet more than yds.Just hope these older eyes can shoot open sights. Plan to spend a few thousand rounds out of a 22 lever in prep for this kind of shooting. Good info, thanks.
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#7303920 - 01/12/13 03:25 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: Dogslife57]
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i put a wiilams peep aperature on easily since the receiver is tapped for that exactly. quit carrying my 270 weatherby & killed a big cow with the 250 gr. bullet.went thru both shoulders & stopped under skin. shot was only 50 yds so scopes in brush that thick were'nt necessary. cranky72

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#7313705 - 01/14/13 06:38 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: cranky72]
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Registered: 09/23/07
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I guns in both calibers. I liked them both. The 358 was a Ruger 77, the 356 was a Winchester. I killed a nice buck at a bit over 250 yards with the 356 with 250 grainers, and quite a few others closer with that rifle. That was the longest shot I've ever made at a whitetail and with a bullet that sloped like a rainbow. I had very good luck with the Speer FP 220 grain bullets in the 356. You need flat points in that tube magazine. Wish I still had the Winchester. I liked the 358 but got a hankering for a Whelen, so off it went. I don't remember the powders I used, but I remember my best load with the 220 Speer was well below max. Even up close that bullet went through even big deer. I say that 'even up close' because some were just off the muzzle when I shot them. The Winchester will be great in PA laurel thickets.
Good Luck
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#7469437 - 02/21/13 08:47 AM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: Blackfly1]
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Own both, both good, blr in .358 and 94 in .356.
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#7544589 - 03/13/13 06:21 PM Re: 356 & 358 Win the same? [Re: blackbruin]
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I had both and still have the Marlin in 356. It will do anything I want under 200 and carries a lot easier than my bolt action 358 did. It shoots just as well and I never loaded the 358 hot anyway.

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