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Who has experience with a 25-06 on elk and/or moose? Thinking of swapping out the barrel on my M70 from 30-06 to a 25-06 as my all round rifle. Just concerned about its performance on the larger critters.


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Rob:

If you are asking this question, you should be able to use
the 25-06.

The 25-06 is just as good, a smaller bullet just faster.
In proper hands I would go right ahead.

I have harvested at least 30 whitetails with the 25-06, and
would not not have had a bit of trouble with the big animals within 300 yds.

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I had a 25-06 before, well my wife did, but sold it. She used it on whitetails and it worked amazing but didnt get a chance to shoot an elk or moose so i have no experience with it on the larger animals.


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Tanner:

Nice pics, what caliber? Good of you to post those.

By the way, I would like ask you about some hunting opportunities
to hunt in your area.

Send me a PM.

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Thanks for pics Tanner...worked just fine on that elk


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That's a 25/06 spittin' 110 Accubonds.


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harv3589-IME the 25/06 is one heck of a round! Elk, moose whatever. I could easily hunt with one for the rest of my life and feel very comfy.

If building I'd go 9 twist. More than likely I'd shoot 7828, 115 Bergs or 115 NBT's and some of my stash of old 117 Noz semi's.

My best friend and his two sons all have 25/06's that I got them and it's all they use for all that moves.

You're on the right track my friend.

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Thanks Mark, thats what I was looking for...

Anyone else?


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Originally Posted by Farmboy1
Rob:

If you are asking this question, you should be able to use
the 25-06.

The 25-06 is just as good, a smaller bullet just faster.
In proper hands I would go right ahead.

I have harvested at least 30 whitetails with the 25-06, and
would not not have had a bit of trouble with the big animals within 300 yds.



Sure it is. I imagine the .25-06 is just as good on a Brown Bear at 25 feet as a .30-06 too?

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If there's brown bears at 25 feet involved, you can bet I'm not going to be carrying something based off an '06 case in my hands, but maybe I'm weird.

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Maybe?

>grins<

I'm with ya. Lower 48, most of Canada, and most of AK, the .25-06 would be right there as a first consideration. Put critters that can bite back into the equation, I'm headed up the ladder quite a few rungs.

If ordinance were legal - I'd haul some of that into bear country.

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Originally Posted by Tanner
If there's brown bears at 25 feet involved, you can bet I'm not going to be carrying something based off an '06 case in my hands, but maybe I'm weird.



The OP is in Alberta. The possibility of a Grizzly exists.

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You guys are killing me with the bear phobia....

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You guys are killing me with the bear phobia....



They scare the chit outta me.

I freely admit it.

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Hate snakes too, though a .25-06 is plenty for them.

BOOM - take that, serpent.

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I go out hunting with a bow in bear country and there is no way a little pointy stick will stop one of them if he wants me...


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I once blew a hole through a deer's shoulder, split the heart almost in two,threw bone fragments through all the lungs and had the bullet exit out the far side of the deer. Mind you I was throwing 100 grain swift scirroco's at the deer but the fact that the bullet held together at 40 yards and 3300 fps was enough to convince me that 25-06 could be considered over kill for the small deer that live in my area.

In fact I am still convinced because the last bunch of deer that I have shot have all been with my .222. So if the .222 works for whitetails what is the 25-06 good for? My only rub is that I live in a state that requires a minimum of a .270 caliber for shooting elk. I guess what i'm saying is that the 25-06 would be about the smallest gun that I would point at an elk sized animal.

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Only satisfaction I'd have before a bear et me, was knowing he was 'bout to receive a chitty meal.

Sumbeaches are scary.

Grizzlies with attitude *shudder* would have me packin' several options; pepper spray, big bore rifle, big bore handgun, guide/partner that was slower afoot than me.

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76inpa - is that Pennsylvaina?

I just checked Pennsylvania's website. Really nice to k.ow Elk is in the State. I know Elk isnt in every state but that wasnt always the case. I wish Hawaii had Elk :-)

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I didnt really want to turn this into a "will it stop a charging bear" thing...just concerned about it taking down an elk or moose....

Anyone else with some experience with the 25-06 on larger animals? There has to be since its so popular on this site


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Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Tanner
If there's brown bears at 25 feet involved, you can bet I'm not going to be carrying something based off an '06 case in my hands, but maybe I'm weird.



The OP is in Alberta. The possibility of a Grizzly exists.


But he specifically asked about elk and moose.





Personally, I'm with Mako. Grizzlies scare the crap outta me. But realisitically, most of us will never be faced with a charging grizzly at 25 feet and I suspect those that are, quickly question WHATEVER they are carrying, and frankly what is there that any of us would carry that would be guaranteed to stop that charging grizzly inside of 25 feet?

But I don't know what I'm talking about. I do love my .25-06 but have no experience using it on elk or moose nor stopping charging grizzly bears so carry on...

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Originally Posted by Tanner
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You're almost as cute as yer sister! Bigger deer, but...

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Originally Posted by harv3589
I go out hunting with a bow in bear country and there is no way a little pointy stick will stop one of them if he wants me...


I'll go one further, I used to go out hunting with a bow for bears in bear country and never needed a little pointy stick to stop one, chit it was hard enough to sneak up on one and fling an arrow through it before they ran off!

FWIW my father in law shoots a 25-06, and his last 9 elk have been killed with it. He has options too, that's just his choice.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaCub
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I go out hunting with a bow in bear country and there is no way a little pointy stick will stop one of them if he wants me...


I'll go one further, I used to go out hunting with a bow for bears in bear country and never needed a little pointy stick to stop one, chit it was hard enough to sneak up on one and fling an arrow through it before they ran off!

FWIW my father in law shoots a 25-06, and his last 9 elk have been killed with it. He has options too, that's just his choice.


Thats been my experience to, they would rather run off if they know ur there...

I am leaning towards the 25-06...I think a super grade M70 25-06 would be a very nice rifle!


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Moose charge too.


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Originally Posted by DayPacker
Moose charge too.


But its by the hour smile


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Originally Posted by Tanner
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The last 3 months. One rifle, one load.
hey didn't you start a thread a while back back to the drawing board a while back on a 25-06 ? different load in these pics or ?

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LD,

All that 25/06 needed to shine was 110 Accubonds and IMR 4350, and a good scrubbing every now and then. It don't like to shoot dirty.

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Tanner,
Nice pics, I did notice you changed out the carry strap when you had the rifle.

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I'd rather see someone using a 25-06 they are comfortable with, shooting Abonds or a Barnes, than someone using a big magnum they can't shoot worth a damn. It'll kill elk and moose for sure.

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I will be shooting partitions out of it.

Anyone else use it on elk?


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Originally Posted by DayPacker
Moose charge too.


Yes they do as I've experienced myself.

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Originally Posted by harv3589
I will be shooting partitions out of it.

Anyone else use it on elk?


My nine year old son loves his 257 Roberts with 120 grain Partions on deer and hogs including some really big and nasty ones.

The bullets just exit,every time so far after wrecking the vitals. If you use bullets as good,I can't see how a 25-06 wouldn't work well.

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Thanks for the replies!

Looking like it will fit what I want....


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Anyone with more experience with the 25-06 and moose/elk???


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Originally Posted by HaYen
76inpa - is that Pennsylvaina?

I just checked Pennsylvania's website. Really nice to k.ow Elk is in the State. I know Elk isnt in every state but that wasnt always the case. I wish Hawaii had Elk :-)


Bet you'd trade a lot of bull/tiger/white sharks for some elk wouldn't you?

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I disagree with the logic. I used to use a .25-06 on deer and antelope and it was fine. A .30-06 would be an advantage on elk and moose because they are large, heavy boned animals. A .25-06 slug is smaller and not that much faster. If you have a .30-06 you are going backwards by rebarreling it to a .25-06.

The pics on this thread show a lot of deer and an elk calf.

I agree with NWO that a well placed shot with bullets that hold together from a .25-06 is better than a shot from a magnum caliber someone is afraid of.

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Shot a 400+lb black bear with one running 117 gr Hornady RN. Did just fine. Not an elk but a black bear will bite back.

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Well 3 more days and out for moose...hopefully I can report back on the performance or the 25-06 on a moose...


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What bullet you going to use?

I had to go to the 100 grain TTSX in my 25-06 as it would not shoot partitions nearly as well.

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Mine shoots the 115gr partition really well...


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Some of my native friends from Alaska claim they kill the feared Big Bear with a 223 all the time.

When I explain that most lower 48 hunters shrivel in fear and mention large caliber magnums when the Big Bear is mentioned they just lauph and tell the story of the hunter who tried to kill a Big Bear that charged him with a 300 weatherby mag and got mauled to death because he shot the bear square in the chest.

A 223 loaded with a Barnes and a Brain shot would have ended that Bear in a hurry.

A 25/06 loaded properly would make brain mush out of the largest of Big Bears.

And it most certainly will easily take anything here in the lower 48




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Originally Posted by Shodd
Some of my native friends from Alaska claim they kill the feared Big Bear with a 223 all the time.

When I explain that most lower 48 hunters shrivel in fear and mention large caliber magnums when the Big Bear is mentioned they just lauph and tell the story of the hunter who tried to kill a Big Bear that charged him with a 300 weatherby mag and got mauled to death because he shot the bear square in the chest.

A 223 loaded with a Barnes and a Brain shot would have ended that Bear in a hurry.

A 25/06 loaded properly would make brain mush out of the largest of Big Bears.

And it most certainly will easily take anything here in the lower 48




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Just curious. How many charging bears have you brained?


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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


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Originally Posted by bellydeep
Originally Posted by Shodd
Some of my native friends from Alaska claim they kill the feared Big Bear with a 223 all the time.

When I explain that most lower 48 hunters shrivel in fear and mention large caliber magnums when the Big Bear is mentioned they just lauph and tell the story of the hunter who tried to kill a Big Bear that charged him with a 300 weatherby mag and got mauled to death because he shot the bear square in the chest.

A 223 loaded with a Barnes and a Brain shot would have ended that Bear in a hurry.

A 25/06 loaded properly would make brain mush out of the largest of Big Bears.

And it most certainly will easily take anything here in the lower 48




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Just curious. How many charging bears have you brained?


One in Alaska a little over 20 years ago. Bear first come into my tent around 3 am as I left the door zipped open and I woke up stairing it right in the face. Bear payed me no mind and rooted around my tent and then headed out the door. I got up and went out the door with rifle in hand and fired a shot in the air to scare the Bear out of camp. When I did so the Bear Charged instead of running and the next shot was between the eyes at about 7 ft.

How about you?




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Originally Posted by Shodd
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Some of my native friends from Alaska claim they kill the feared Big Bear with a 223 all the time.

When I explain that most lower 48 hunters shrivel in fear and mention large caliber magnums when the Big Bear is mentioned they just lauph and tell the story of the hunter who tried to kill a Big Bear that charged him with a 300 weatherby mag and got mauled to death because he shot the bear square in the chest.

A 223 loaded with a Barnes and a Brain shot would have ended that Bear in a hurry.

A 25/06 loaded properly would make brain mush out of the largest of Big Bears.

And it most certainly will easily take anything here in the lower 48




Shod


Just curious. How many charging bears have you brained?


One in Alaska a little over 20 years ago. Bear first come into my tent around 3 am as I left the door zipped open and I woke up stairing it right in the face. Bear payed me no mind and rooted around my tent and then headed out the door. I got up and went out the door with rifle in hand and fired a shot in the air to scare the Bear out of camp. When I did so the Bear Charged instead of running and the next shot was between the eyes at about 7 ft.

How about you?




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I havent brained any because only idiots carry girl rifles and bank their lives on head shots.


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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


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Some of my native friends from Alaska claim they kill the feared Big Bear with a 223 all the time.

When I explain that most lower 48 hunters shrivel in fear and mention large caliber magnums when the Big Bear is mentioned they just lauph and tell the story of the hunter who tried to kill a Big Bear that charged him with a 300 weatherby mag and got mauled to death because he shot the bear square in the chest.

A 223 loaded with a Barnes and a Brain shot would have ended that Bear in a hurry.

A 25/06 loaded properly would make brain mush out of the largest of Big Bears.

And it most certainly will easily take anything here in the lower 48




Shod


Just curious. How many charging bears have you brained?


One in Alaska a little over 20 years ago. Bear first come into my tent around 3 am as I left the door zipped open and I woke up stairing it right in the face. Bear payed me no mind and rooted around my tent and then headed out the door. I got up and went out the door with rifle in hand and fired a shot in the air to scare the Bear out of camp. When I did so the Bear Charged instead of running and the next shot was between the eyes at about 7 ft.

How about you?




Shod


I havent brained any because only idiots carry girl rifles and bank their lives on head shots.


Where do you shoot a charging Bear?


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Not extensive experience but I've used it with a 120gr Hornady HP on a big cow with the same results as anything bigger. One shot, quartering forward, in front of shoulder, exit back by the last couple ribs.

Also a spike with a .257 Roberts with a Nosler Partition. (120gr I think). Worked fine.

Neither were long range, but placment is most of the battle.

With the bullets available I think the .25-06 is fine.

Where I hunt sometimes dumping them and sacrificing some meat is better than following blood. So shooting the shoulder high is preferable. I do like using my .338WM though. I don't hesitate to shoot for fear of poor placement. It'll crush through bone, spine, stem to stern.

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My first rifle was a 25-06. Shot everything with it from fox to elk. Had nor problem with dropping an elk. None.

Friend had a 243 built for his wife last year. She had 2 tags. I know she dropped her bull with it, no problem. Can't remember if she got her cow.

I'm with the guy who stated, if you shoot it well, it's worlds better than a big rifle that you don't shoot as well.


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So U recommend a high shoulder shot on a moose? I was going to go for a heart/lung shot and maxing my distance to 300yrds.


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Originally Posted by harv3589
Well 3 more days and out for moose...hopefully I can report back on the performance or the 25-06 on a moose...

Originally Posted by harv3589
So U recommend a high shoulder shot on a moose? I was going to go for a heart/lung shot and maxing my distance to 300yrds.


I wish you great success on your hunt. I would stay away from large bones especially on big bull moose.
My experience with the 25-06 back when I lived in Maine in the mid-80's and shooting a big Maine whitetail in the shoulder with a 115gr Nosler Partition. It killed the buck...but when I went looking for the bullet all I found where frag pieces throughout the lungs. Shot was approx 50 yards running quartering towards me. Sample of one! But I'd stay away from the big bones. I've also shot two moose, with stick & string, I know how much larger their bones are compared to a deer.

I think your thought of lung/heart area would be a better choice.

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Originally Posted by harv3589
Anyone with more experience with the 25-06 and moose/elk???


I've watched more tip over thanks to the 223 actually, and that was pre-Barnes/monos for it. 55 ball ammo works on bears too.

Then again, go check the Alaska section and the shot Mart had - which he took very successfully, with a 400 Whelen; not my cup of tea with the smaller bore rifles. (I wasn't all that thoroughly impressed with the way any of the 4 Partitions and A-frames worked on a bull moose I shot broadside with a 6.5x55 a number of years ago either.)

It was kind of interesting to see the the former AR infatuation which one fellow had, revert (again) to 300 mags for general use.


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I've used a 2506 on four moose,several caribou, and a lot of deer just use a 110 gr. accubond or a 115 gr. partition and you will be all set.

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Originally Posted by harv3589
So U recommend a high shoulder shot on a moose? I was going to go for a heart/lung shot and maxing my distance to 300yrds.


Absolutely correct in heart/lung. Put the bullet through the lungs; stay away from shots which might be somewhat challenging for the bullet. Higher shots will more likely not leave much/any blood if you need to follow at all.


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I have put 100 grain 25 cal partition threw couple feet of deer spine, destroyed both shoulder blades and spine between between them and exit, 'via 257 rob and a 25-06' To break that much bone on deer and still exit I have no hesitation for use on elk. Things could only get better with the heavier partitions in 25 cal rifles grin

I DO take my 25 cal rifles on elk hunts, no qualms. But like other rifle loons, I have other calibers to use also... I just have not found an elk to run a 25 cal bullet into yet.

Elk and moose are a little thicker on everything bone, hide, muscle. With 25 cal 100 gr partition, one may not get complete penetration, But I know without a doubt the shot will be precisely and leathally placed do to the easy shoot-ability of rifles chambered in that caliber.

Tanner summed it up best, shot placement first. The rest kinda falls into place.


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Originally Posted by harv3589
So U recommend a high shoulder shot on a moose? I was going to go for a heart/lung shot and maxing my distance to 300yrds.


I guess I don't type as much as I should. On Elk where it's more open I'd use my .25 cal rifles with no hesitation and take heart lung shots. Same with Moose. Moose will stand there and think about it while they're busy dying sometimes. But the .25-06 will work fine.

My comment about a high shoulder shot goes along with using the .338 where I'm hunting steep & deep. Sometimes I'd rather not shoot heart lung as they can go down into a miserable hole. If you can hit the high shoulder with the .338 they most often go down where they were standing.



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For perspective, a couple of days ago, while hunting moose with a good friend of longstanding, we had at least a couple of bulls coming to the racket we set up to tease them. As it turned out, a big, obviously legal bull came into his field of view first and he took two shots from 300-400 yards. The moose was in an 'open' area that was quite cluttered with broomed willows, birch and other brush. The moose also was in pursuit of a cow when he shot and had been raking in response to the rattling I had been doing with the plastic stock on my Winchester 375 H&H. In any case, he hit the moose twice, neither a lethal shot though the second shot strayed and broke both rear legs. (He was shooting a 7 Rem Mag with 175 Core-lokts.) I heard the animal fall followed by some continued stirring and grunting. I arrived at the scene first to find the animal still full of fight and eager. Approaching within 25 yards or so, the animal attempted to rise on its front legs. Not knowing how badly it was wounded, I sent a 300 grain Partition into the heavy part of its shoulders - it was perfectly broadside as it raised its front end up rapidly. Surprisingly that shot didn't end its aggression and I used still one more to put it down for the count. While skinning we found one of the Partitions lodged against the hide on the far side. No major bones were broken by either bullet that I could determine, yet neither Partiton exited the hide.

Can a 25 caliber centerfire dispatch a moose? Certainly. But a 375 H&H doesn't appear to be too much gun either, and I'd hardly put a 25-06 in the same category as the 375 H&H with good bullets.


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A few years back I met a father/daughter pair. THe daughter had a bug bull and buck hanging and had believe she had taken a cow as well. She was using a .25-06 with 117g bullets, which I assumed were made by Hornady but didn't confirm.

Her dad said he had never seen a bull go down so fast.

This year Daughter #1 is going on her first elk hunt. We finished up load development/proofing and zeroing yesterday. She will be using a .308 win with a 130g TTSX running 3010fps. I ran the ballistic calculations last night and out to 400 yards they are virtually identical in drop and energy to my .257 Roberts pushing a 100g TTSX to 3233fps.

She was shooting it very well and will get more practice before her CO 2nd Rifle elk hunt but I don't see her shooting past 300 yards. My only admonition to her is to shoot until the elk is down and stays there, same as I advise everyone that hunts with me, regardless of their cartridge choice.





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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
For perspective, a couple of days ago, while hunting moose with a good friend of longstanding, we had at least a couple of bulls coming to the racket we set up to tease them. As it turned out, a big, obviously legal bull came into his field of view first and he took two shots from 300-400 yards. The moose was in an 'open' area that was quite cluttered with broomed willows, birch and other brush. The moose also was in pursuit of a cow when he shot and had been raking in response to the rattling I had been doing with the plastic stock on my Winchester 375 H&H. In any case, he hit the moose twice, neither a lethal shot though the second shot strayed and broke both rear legs. (He was shooting a 7 Rem Mag with 175 Core-lokts.) I heard the animal fall followed by some continued stirring and grunting. I arrived at the scene first to find the animal still full of fight and eager. Approaching within 25 yards or so, the animal attempted to rise on its front legs. Not knowing how badly it was wounded, I sent a 300 grain Partition into the heavy part of its shoulders - it was perfectly broadside as it raised its front end up rapidly. Surprisingly that shot didn't end its aggression and I used still one more to put it down for the count. While skinning we found one of the Partitions lodged against the hide on the far side. No major bones were broken by either bullet that I could determine, yet neither Partiton exited the hide.

Can a 25 caliber centerfire dispatch a moose? Certainly. But a 375 H&H doesn't appear to be too much gun either, and I'd hardly put a 25-06 in the same category as the 375 H&H with good bullets.


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
For perspective, a couple of days ago, while hunting moose with a good friend of longstanding, we had at least a couple of bulls coming to the racket we set up to tease them. As it turned out, a big, obviously legal bull came into his field of view first and he took two shots from 300-400 yards. The moose was in an 'open' area that was quite cluttered with broomed willows, birch and other brush. The moose also was in pursuit of a cow when he shot and had been raking in response to the rattling I had been doing with the plastic stock on my Winchester 375 H&H. In any case, he hit the moose twice, neither a lethal shot though the second shot strayed and broke both rear legs. (He was shooting a 7 Rem Mag with 175 Core-lokts.) I heard the animal fall followed by some continued stirring and grunting. I arrived at the scene first to find the animal still full of fight and eager. Approaching within 25 yards or so, the animal attempted to rise on its front legs. Not knowing how badly it was wounded, I sent a 300 grain Partition into the heavy part of its shoulders - it was perfectly broadside as it raised its front end up rapidly. Surprisingly that shot didn't end its aggression and I used still one more to put it down for the count. While skinning we found one of the Partitions lodged against the hide on the far side. No major bones were broken by either bullet that I could determine, yet neither Partiton exited the hide.

Can a 25 caliber centerfire dispatch a moose? Certainly. But a 375 H&H doesn't appear to be too much gun either, and I'd hardly put a 25-06 in the same category as the 375 H&H with good bullets.


Since Klik has likely seen more moose killed than many of the rest of us put together,he's worth listening to.


Seen plenty of 25 caliber bullets, including Nosler Partitions,fired into game of various sizes from antelope to bull elk. Even was around for the field dressing and processing during post mortems to see exactly what those bullets did in terms of damage compared to the heavier and sturdier bullets fired from other cartridges from 270 and 7mm up through 300's,338,and 375. Hate to admit it but in general things like penetration, wound channels,reliably breaking heavy bone,and managing lousy angles got better as bullets got bigger,and/or tougher.

Never saw any evidence of wound channels and penetration impressive enough to convince me that a 25/06 is a top drawer heavy game cartridge,although it works splendidly on deer sized stuff.

I know from this that an average sized mule deer buck can stop a 120 gr Nosler partition with shoulder shots (I have the bullets here). I also know it will kill heavy game like elk,but does not make my own personal cut as an elk cartridge.Well constructed 270 bullets from 130 gr up show generally better performance.

But then I never spent much time seeking the lowest common denominator in bullet/cartridge performance for BG hunting either. I was never that curious.

YMMV.




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Well just got back from 3 days of hunting...didn't matter what I was carrying....saw no moose or any fresh sign of any.

Hopefully I will have time to get out again but we will see...

Thanks for the posts! All great info.


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Originally Posted by Canazes9


Were you hunting with Safari man?


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You're suggesting that the fact that Partitions from a 375 H&H failed to fully penetrate and exit the shoulder area of a moose is somehow ineptness on my part? Or are you suggesting something about a very competent partner who isn't a rifle loony, doesn't shoot lots and lots, was shooting from up in a tree - without a tree stand, and was shooting at a moving animal that also happened to be in a relatively 'open' field of scattered brush......perhaps you're trying to be an ass, because 'u' and 'me' have never met I'm sure. (Though I have known a few people whose names were not 'Richard' who we've called an abbreviated moniker of the same. whistle)


One of the biggest mistakes a person can make - and there are many obviously- is assuming they'll have ideal conditions when hunting, and that nothing could possibly go wrong. A KISS routine is never a bad plan, and being aware of an area of marginal adequacy - knowing your weaknesses- is never a bad idea.


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Klikitarik, I am sure they kill a lot of moose in Lousisiana..


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik

...Or are you suggesting something about a very competent partner who isn't a rifle loony, doesn't shoot lots and lots, was shooting from up in a tree - without a tree stand, and was shooting at a moving animal that also happened to be in a relatively 'open' field of scattered brush......


One of the biggest mistakes a person can make - and there are many obviously- is assuming they'll have ideal conditions when hunting, and that nothing could possibly go wrong. A KISS routine is never a bad plan, and being aware of an area of marginal adequacy - knowing your weaknesses- is never a bad idea.


It was a joke about your partners poor shooting.

Your indignant justification of it just adds to the amusement and suggests neither you or your partner take your own advice seriously.

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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
Klikitarik, I am sure they kill a lot of moose in Lousisiana..


Where is Lousisiana?

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Klikitarik, I am sure they kill a lot of moose in Lousisiana..


Where is Lousisiana?

David


I think he means 'Loozyann


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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


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I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Originally Posted by Canazes9


It was a joke about your partners poor shooting.


A smiley can work wonders sometimes. wink

We'll make sure we hire you next time we go hunting. grin (Can we ASSume you'll get'er done?)


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
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It was a joke about your partners poor shooting.


A smiley can work wonders sometimes. wink

We'll make sure we hire you next time we go hunting. grin (Can we ASSume you'll get'er done?)


Duly noted grin.

I wish I could say I've never let a shot go that I regretted, unfortunately not the case.

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I think it's easy and commonly assumed that we have all kinds of control over the conditions under which actual hunting takes place. The internet makes such theorizing so very simple. Yet the reality is that a lot of actual hunting happens under conditions which are very different than the armchair 'hunting' we seem to enjoy so much. That is why I probably tend to be a little bit defensive in advocating for a bit more than simply 'adequate' when it comes to hunting, especially when the quarry is larger, harder, and perhaps tougher than the more common 150-200 pound "big game" which are most often pursued. As I pointed out in my first post on this thread, a 223 has bee proven 'adequate' on several occasions I have been witness to. But I've also witnessed so many situations similar to the instance I related about our recent hunt where there are a lot of factors that simply don't exist in most of our imaginary scenarios.

I won't call a 25-06 inadequate for moose, nor call someone stupid for using it. However, there is no bullet made for a 25-06 that can't be stopped by a moose - which says something about both the cartridge and the critter, and hopefully that informs the one who has to make the ultimate decision about yanking the trigger. wink


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Klik,

In your experience when do bullets start shooting through them?

I would guess a 7mm with 160gr TSX or 175 Nosler Partition might?


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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


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I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Either of those would be great choices in a 7 mag with plenty of insurance should an angle or placement be less than ideal. The main consideration in my view is knowing I can make a decent hole in the lungs. I have never seen a moose whose lungs didn't either collapse or bleed out when they were breeched. An exit hole really has no bearing on their demise, nor its speed, and that big chest will readily hold several gallons of blood below a well-placed lung shot. I think my buddy's 175 Core-lokts did very well considering that one of them broke the both long bones above the hock in the hind legs. (If only it had gone where it was intended to go... frown )

My addition of the anecdote about the Partitions in the "cape buff/elephant adequate" rifle was simply intended to convey, once more, the fact that moose are 'obstacles' of some significance that shouldn't be underestimated. In my experience, moose that are on the ground are generally out of gas and breathing their last or nearly so. I was therefore quite surprised when I saw the animal on the ground but holding his head up. I was even more surprised when I realized that he still had fight in his eyes and was eager to take on a challenge. 300 grain slugs certainly didn't feel like "too much" in the presence of a beast half a dozen times my size whose intent might have involved malice. smile


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So in your opinion Klikitarik what would be a minimum for moose hunting?


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I like the 7mm-08 with a 139/140 mono or heavier composite bullet - or equivalent on the bottom end, though I have used smaller stuff. And I really like what the 30-06 offers as a good basic rifle for the moose hunting I've done. I've never seen anything (moose-wise) that a 30-06 didn't have 'enough' for even when conditions were less than ideal. Obviously smaller things will work also as well as long as you're able and willing to limit yourself (which can be a real tough call to make when things aren't going as hoped - and you can't always know all the factors that might be affecting things at crunch time. I'm not the biggest fan of monos for general purpose uses, but I certainly think they offer an extra edge when you're running 'light' in caliber.


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Well got my moose yesterday...the 25-06 worked great! it was a 270yrd shot broad side, put one into his lungs. he went 20yrds and stopped, put a second one in and down he went. he was dead on the first but wanted to make sure.

that was end of the fun though...had to pack him out since quads arent allowed in the area.

I wouldnt hesitate to use the 25 again...next is my cow elk draw that opens on the 25th.


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Good job lets see some pictures


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I used 115gr partitions

Sorry i can't get the photo to work....

He's not huge but a good meat bull...43.5" wide


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Originally Posted by harv3589
Well got my moose yesterday...the 25-06 worked great! it was a 270yrd shot broad side, put one into his lungs. he went 20yrds and stopped, put a second one in and down he went. he was dead on the first but wanted to make sure.


Congrats. Glad it worked out for you. Holes in the lungs whether by 55 grains or 550 don't ever not work on moose. And I've never wished I hadn't put the second in there, though they rarely do anything that the first didn't do well enough. As you inferred, where they land does matter. grin


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You had better be careful opening the freezer, he may jump out smile A 25-06 just isn't supposed to work you know wink Congrats on filling your freezer.


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Well done, Harv! Pretty cool when you wrap up a two year old thread like that, too! My dad always thought 25s were enough for big, big game. His last bull elk he took with a 100gr partition. Good eating to you!


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3 north american big game animals you shoot until they stop moving. Mountain goats, brown bears,and moose. All for the same reason, keep them from getting somewhere bad.

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"Huge antlers" or not, moose are always a great prize! Good job; enjoy him every time you open the freezer!


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Originally Posted by harv3589
Here is a pic....

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That is a beautiful and more than likely delicious "obstacle" your bullets encountered on their way downrange! wink

I appreciate Klik's description of that animal. I've only seen a couple in my life and they do appear quite "obstacle" like to me.

Someday I hope to go "obstacle" hunting. With friends. For the pack out job. Obstacles of that size are not my idea of fun at over 60 yrs of age.

Harv, I hope you had help.

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PS, if one types "obstacle" enough times one could start quesioning one's spelling abilities. It's now not looking correct to me. Must be one of "those" words. Shouldn't there be a "k" or something in there somewhere? confused

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That is a beautiful and more than likely delicious "obstacle" your bullets encountered on their way downrange! wink

I appreciate Klik's description of that animal. I've only seen a couple in my life and they do appear quite "obstacle" like to me.

Someday I hope to go "obstacle" hunting. With friends. For the pack out job. Obstacles of that size are not my idea of fun at over 60 yrs of age.

Harv, I hope you had help.

Geno

PS, if one types "obstacle" enough times one could start quesioning one's spelling abilities. It's now not looking correct to me. Must be one of "those" words. Shouldn't there be a "k" or something in there somewhere? confused


I had my partner from work was with me and then another guy from came out to help. It was still a long back breaking day. I packed a hind quarter out on my back and then a front over my shoulder. It was just over 3/4 of a mile back to the truck....the other two quarters we pulled out on a sled and then the last trip was for the head. I shot him at 9:40 am and we didn't finish up until 8pm.

I would do it again...my wife should get her draw next year for bull moose there.


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Congrats. It's a lot of work. I've got three of them myself. I'd love to get one or two more but now have a back injury so I may be done.

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Nice looking bull Rob.


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3 north american big game animals you shoot until they stop moving. Mountain goats, brown bears,and moose. All for the same reason, keep them from getting somewhere bad.


I would agree with that............


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Heavy for caliber is always a good idea when using small caliber rifles on large animals.
I have a box of 125 gr. Barnes Originals that I am saving for a special occassion. (For my 25-06)
However in the meantime I bought a 35 Whelen and fell in love.
I have only recovered one bullet from a deer and it was a big buck quartering away and a 200 gr bullet which is pretty light for a .35 caliber.
Bob Hagel wrote that we should not pick a cartridge that will do the job when everything is right, but the one which will do the job when everything goes wrong.
Seems like a good idea to me.
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My son has used the 80gr TTSX in the 25-06 for a couple caribou bulls, a huge-bodied bull moose, a mountain goat, a couple Sitka blacktails, and a brown bear... He recovered a few of them from huge bones in the moose and from a rock a deer was sleeping against...

Not thinking the heavy for caliber line works better these days with Barnes...


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My son has used the 80gr TTSX in the 25-06 for a couple caribou bulls, a huge-bodied bull moose, a mountain goat, a couple Sitka blacktails, and a brown bear...


Was the bear a target of opportunity? I've not heard of any people hunting brown bear intentionally with a .25-06 and 80 grain bullets before. Your boy is obviously confident in his rifle choice or has a really large pair of stones!

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Here is a link to the entire story: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8908219/1

It was a bit of a target of opportunity, but there was no doubt the bear was going to die and do so quickly when he pulled the trigger. He had shot a Kodiak bear the spring before and was fairly comfortable with bears for a 20-year-old kid.


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Do you get an exit wound with an 80 grain bullet?
I feel really old fashioned.
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The three bullets recovered around Riley's critters were understandable. Like I said above, one went lengthwise through a small Sitka blacktail buck and hit a rock he was bedded against. The bullet was found in the hair on the outside of the deer after it bounced off the rock.

Another went through the huge knuckle on the knee of a huge-bodied bull moose, passed through the heart and lodged halfway into the huge knuckle joint on the opposite leg.

The third was in the same moose and it took several neck vertebrae out and was found surrounded by bone.

Both bullets passed through the brown bear on broadside shots and went right through the heart. He did not go far at all and most of that was rolling downhill.

A big caribou bull at 340 lasered yards lost his heart and it was a spectacular hole... there was no heart for dinner that night...

So, yeah, they do go all the way through under most circumstances.


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And more important to me is the reduction in meat loss when shooting those evil little bastards! wink


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I'm w/doc on this one. Use the 117-120gr Partitions w/a good dose of IMR7828 or RL19 and get to killin about anything in the deer family. To put it another way...the 270W is suppose to be an excellent round w/the 130gr but the 25-06 w/the 120 can't make the grade. Think how utterly silly that sounds. powdr

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I don't know anyone who uses a 270 who doesn't much prefer heavier bullets when it comes to moose.

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This 140 A-Frame struck a moose behind the right front leg, and stopped in the heavy muscle of the left shoulder. A 130 Core-lokt bullet would undoubtedly have worked as well on that particular shot presentation, or a 100 grain 243, a 55 FMJ 223, etc, but a few inches forward could easily change the money I'd play on the shot. Moose aren't hard to kill, (not to be confused with being 'soft targets'.)


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Just for perspective….

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this humerus is shown with the upper "ball" - where it connects with the scapula: "shoulder blade" on the left, the "elbow" joint (or knee as Sitka Deer referred to it), to the right side. These bones collected from a mature bull moose.

The very first Barnes/monolithic bullet I fired into an animal landed in the big "upper" joint…

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It was a 225 XFB fired at around 2900 fps from a 340 Weatherby. The animal was approximately 200 yards from the rifle. It traversed the animal from side to side, broke both big upper balls, and blistered the hide…..ending up looking like

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….second from left


And, assuming one stays off from these big bones, the shoulders of a mature moose are still well guarded by a plentiful quantity of heavy muscle which generally provide 'substantial' resistance to penetration by good bullets, as was demonstrated on our most recent moose which stopped ...

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...two 300 grain Partitions fired from a 375 H&H at less than 50 yards.

But again, 55 FMJs have worked…quite well actually when things are right (though I've also seen the other kind of 'things'….when something like a 300 mag was handy for preventing a true blue rodeo. whistle )


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Whoops... yeah, knee... That is a lot of bone by any name, even the wrong one!

I had a pretty weird thing happen on the moose I just shot... the shot was only 25 yards or so but there was too much brush to hold down where I wanted to and he was in mid-shove with another bull and lots of cows around. The willows were very thick and too tall.

I decided to take the shot at the tips of the brush realizing it would definitely hit the brush tips. The bull reared up on his hind legs at the shot and fell backwards and struggled to get up. The second shot was through the shoulders, below the spine.

The weird part was the first bullet made three entrance and exit wounds! I found no copper particles either. One of the holes on each side looked like the bullet went through sideways...

I have seen lots of bullets completely stopped by brush so I knew there was a risk involved in taking the shot, but I was afraid the whole harem would explode at any second and take away all chances for a shot...

edit to add the bullets above were 168gr TTSX from a 30-06

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Originally Posted by powdr
I'm w/doc on this one. Use the 117-120gr Partitions w/a good dose of IMR7828 or RL19 and get to killin about anything in the deer family. To put it another way...the 270W is suppose to be an excellent round w/the 130gr but the 25-06 w/the 120 can't make the grade. Think how utterly silly that sounds. powdr



I absolutely agree. This is why when I wanted another .270 I replaced it with a 25-06. grin

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A few years back I hunted w/ a friend who used a 25-06 on elk. I worked up a load for him using 117 Hornady bullets (I don't remember the powder or charge). I handed him his rifle (Ruger) back and a box of rounds, told him to check the zero.
His first shot at the elk hit below the shoulder in the upper leg, the elk stumbled and kept going. Second shot was my shot from a 300 Wby 190gr Hornady, in the ribs out behind the shoulder. Elk went down but was trying to get up. His second shot (3rd total), went in the center chest and stopped all movement. I consider this a lucky shot as the elk was writhing around on the ground and the bullet went in next to the sternum area to get the heart.

Moral of the story: Shot placement is key, practice, practice, practice!!
If you are using a borderline cal, make sure you know the rifle/load inside out!

Yes, the 25-06 will work on elk. I would use the heaviest "X" type bullet or Partition that your gun likes.
Not that wind had anything to do with the above story, but realize wind will push a slower (relatively) 25 cal bullet, more than a faster 30 cal bullet.

I have zero experience with a moose.


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Super !

The 'head' on that thing is impressive.

I'd NOT pass him up either.

Jerry


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Super !

The 'head' on that thing is impressive.

I'd NOT pass him up either.

Jerry


Thxs Jerry!

I'm happy with him


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