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Re: Ok experts, one caliber, one bullet, ALL of NA hunting....name it.
jwall #7359930 01/25/13
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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by moosemike



The other one I'm tired of hearing is that WDM "Karamojo Bell" killed 800 Elephants with the 7X57.



Originally Posted by moosemike


I agree plenty of people could do it. But Bell did it 1,200 times and lived. How many alive today could pull it off 1200 times?



800 or 1200 makes no diff. to me.

I'd say that's a LOFTY goal. Today I'm sure that's NOT LEGAL and NOT PROBABLE either. I'd say anyone would be pushing their luck.

My point is with PROPER bullets and PROFICIENCY it does not take the LARGEST cal/cart to humanely kill the really big stuff.

OTOH - when it can MAUL, EAT, or STOMP you into red jello the largest cal/cart/bullet you can shoot confidently offers SOME added insurance.

Remember that I said I agree with your post in general. smile

I don't subscribe to the SMALLEST caliber possible to do any given job.

My sig line has said, "If 1/2" rifle length and 4 oz of rifle weight kept me from hunting, I'd take up knitting."

The only SA (1) rifle I have is a Rem 700 BDL 243. I also have a 6mm Rem but it's a Rem M6 pump (same length as 270 or 06).

I stated this EARLY in this thread and have NOT changed my mind. My ONE rifle - bullet for N A hunting is 300 WM, 180 OR 200 gr NP.



He shot 800 with the 7X57. He used other things too.
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Re: Ok experts, one caliber, one bullet, ALL of NA hunting....name it.
moosemike #7360026 01/25/13
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I'd go with a 338 Winchester Magnum and a 250 grain premium bullet. Good for big bear, but hard on the shoulder for prairie dog shooting.
Re: Ok experts, one caliber, one bullet, ALL of NA hunting....name it.
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Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by moosemike



The other one I'm tired of hearing is that WDM "Karamojo Bell" killed 800 Elephants with the 7X57.



Originally Posted by moosemike


I agree plenty of people could do it. But Bell did it 1,200 times and lived. How many alive today could pull it off 1200 times?



800 or 1200 makes no diff. to me.

I'd say that's a LOFTY goal. Today I'm sure that's NOT LEGAL and NOT PROBABLE either. I'd say anyone would be pushing their luck.

My point is with PROPER bullets and PROFICIENCY it does not take the LARGEST cal/cart to humanely kill the really big stuff.

OTOH - when it can MAUL, EAT, or STOMP you into red jello the largest cal/cart/bullet you can shoot confidently offers SOME added insurance.

Remember that I said I agree with your post in general. smile

I don't subscribe to the SMALLEST caliber possible to do any given job.

My sig line has said, "If 1/2" rifle length and 4 oz of rifle weight kept me from hunting, I'd take up knitting."

The only SA (1) rifle I have is a Rem 700 BDL 243. I also have a 6mm Rem but it's a Rem M6 pump (same length as 270 or 06).

I stated this EARLY in this thread and have NOT changed my mind. My ONE rifle - bullet for N A hunting is 300 WM, 180 OR 200 gr NP.



He shot 800 with the 7X57. He used other things too.


One of his favorites was the 6.5X54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer. I believe he killed more elephants with this than the 7X57mm. There must be something to the saying "Mad dogs and Englishmen"
Re: Ok experts, one caliber, one bullet, ALL of NA hunting....name it.
jwall #7360059 01/25/13
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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by moosemike



The other one I'm tired of hearing is that WDM "Karamojo Bell" killed 800 Elephants with the 7X57.



Originally Posted by moosemike


I agree plenty of people could do it. But Bell did it 1,200 times and lived. How many alive today could pull it off 1200 times?



800 or 1200 makes no diff. to me.

I'd say that's a LOFTY goal. Today I'm sure that's NOT LEGAL and NOT PROBABLE either. I'd say anyone would be pushing their luck.

My point is with PROPER bullets and PROFICIENCY it does not take the LARGEST cal/cart to humanely kill the really big stuff.

OTOH - when it can MAUL, EAT, or STOMP you into red jello the largest cal/cart/bullet you can shoot confidently offers SOME added insurance.

Remember that I said I agree with your post in general. smile

I don't subscribe to the SMALLEST caliber possible to do any given job.

My sig line has said, "If 1/2" rifle length and 4 oz of rifle weight kept me from hunting, I'd take up knitting."

The only SA (1) rifle I have is a Rem 700 BDL 243. I also have a 6mm Rem but it's a Rem M6 pump (same length as 270 or 06).

I stated this EARLY in this thread and have NOT changed my mind. My ONE rifle - bullet for N A hunting is 300 WM, 180 OR 200 gr NP.



The bullet is more important than the caliber, the calibers that Bell used had the best bullets for penetrating the game that he was shooting. Read his writings and that becomes clear

The 173 grain solid that Bell used was tested for penetration recently and out penetrated all of the Big Bores. Bell was a smart individual that knew what he was doing and an exceptional shot as well


I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Re: Ok experts, one caliber, one bullet, ALL of NA hunting....name it.
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jwp -

I once knew more about Mr. Bell than I can remember. blush Wonder Why? smile

I certainly agree about the importance of 'bullets' for ALL game.

As you know we have many more 'better' bullets today than ever.

No one can use the excuse of poor bullets....it's poor bullet CHOICE today.


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