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Here we go people....

We're gonna set this up differently than the monthly challenges we did last summer. There won't be one winner of the 24HRCFPC. It's a club that you shoot your way into. It's only available to the most awesomest shooters around. It's tough, but being a Pistolero ain't easy.

Some of these might be tougher than others, depending on what your pistol background is. But that's the idea, if you can't do the hostage shots, post up your misses and track your progress. The idea is that this won't be a one shot wonder thread for the month, but will keep going as new folks try it and people get better.

Rules of Engagement
1) If you successfully complete the 24HRCFPC you will earn eternal Campfire bragging rights and can add "Campfire Pistolero" to your signature line.

2) Any pistol is allowed, no scopes / red dots allowed. If you choose to shoot it with a snubnose .38 or a flintlock, more power to ya.

3) The target will be 6" x 11 1/2". You can fold 2 1/2" of the edge of a sheet of paper under and use that. The hostage target will be available by email. PM me your email addy and I'll get it sent to you.

4) All shots must be IN THE TARGET. Shots that break the edge are misses.

5) Shoot each stage and post pics of your target here. Video is desirable, aviators are preferred, clothing is optional.

The 24HRCFPC will be divided into three categories...speed, accuracy and stress.

All shots can be made from a ready position, since a lot of ranges won't let you draw from the holster.

The close range speed challenge is a modified version of Paul Howe's standards to graduate from his pistol instructor course. Shoot this stage from 7 yards.
1) 1 shot from the ready in 1.25 seconds
2) 2 shots from the ready in 1.75 seconds
3) 5 shots from the ready in 3 seconds
4) 2 shots each on two targets from the ready in 3.5 seconds
5) 4 shots weak hand only from the ready in 4 seconds
6) 2 shots / reload / 2 shots from the ready in 5 seconds
***You do not have to retain your magazine. Drop one mag, insert another, fire.
***Revolver shooters have to reload. Better use a speed loader.

The long range stage uses a torso sized target. If you don't have a printed target to use, measure out an 18" x 24" rectangle.
1) 6 shots at 50 yards in 1 minute.
-5 of the 6 shots must hit to pass.
2) 6 shots at 25 yards in 1 minute.
-All 6 shots must hit to pass.

I'll email the hostage target to y'all.
Shoot it from 5 yards.
1 shot in 2.5 seconds.
Repeat this five times.
All shots have to hit to pass.

I've got the target scanned and will start emailing it out.

If anyone can figure out how to attach a PDF here so people can download it, please do.

This is what it looks like. For scoring...
1) Anything in the green is a hit. The bullet can break the line on this stage only. Be honest about the scoring or you'll catch crap when you post the pic for sure and for certain. More than half a bullet on the hostage would just be mean, and we're not gonna count it.

2) The green dots show the box that we should really be hitting. It's not required for the competition and the dots aren't on the target I'm emailing. I just put them on here as a kind of learning tool.

Saved

Pm incoming.

I'll get the target out to everyone who's emailed me. I've gotta pick one out and scan it first.

Sorry for the delay on the COF, I got pulled away for a bit.

I saved two posts at the top so I could edit with any clarifications that are needed. Lemme know I there's any questions.

And if you don't have a shot timer...

Surefire has a free shot timer app that works pretty good. It's free. You can find it by searching "Surefire".

That sounds fun, if I can get away I'd like to do it. Unfortunately right now I'm coaching soccer, so my nights and weekends are spoken for. Still, I'd like to break out the ole-PACT (and mine is O L D ! !) and have some fun.

Bluedreaux,

Please clarify "ready"

Arms extended, pistol lowered out of line of sight, or elbows bent, pistol in toward the body, or other?

I'll take a pic tonight and post it so we're all on the same page.

Basically, it's a "compressed ready" or "high ready". Pistol pulled against basically the bottom of the sternum, pointed downrange, elbows bent and against the sides of your body.

Got it.

Was going to ask the same question. Since I don't got no training, I'm ignernt of lots of shooting terms.

Outstanding little course of fire, pm sent.

I'm in, pm sent

Sounds fun, PM sent

I'll play - but our outdoor range doesn't open for a month yet (to do the longer stations). is there a time limit ?

It's open til Rick shuts the site down.

sweet! it might take me that long to pass some of those.....

Everyone who PMd me should have the email.

Big thanks to Bluedreaux for coming up with this idea.

I ran out to the range today as the weather was nice and I felt like shooting. This 310 has been begging for some trigger time so I thought I'd give it a go.


Have not shot in an IDPA match in some time, and never with a revolver so this was a lot of fun for me.

1st stage I did in .99

2nd stage I did in 1.53

3rd stage I knew would be tough. I did it in 3.0 but that was my 3rd attempt.

4th stage I did in a 2.86 right out of the gate and that felt pretty good.





5th stage was an abortion and was done in 4.44

6th stage made 'flave realize he needs work with moon clips...

25yd line was fun and I did the 6 in 13 seconds and shot it again for fun and that was in 16 seconds


50yd line was cake but Mr. SKS and his girl arrived and I didn't take time to snap any pics of that target.

Good schit all around. And I KNEW 5 shots in 3 seconds would be tough.

Good schit. Use a timer! Get a buddy to shoot it with. I'll be back out after I print off the good guy/bad guy target. Don't forget the pasties...

Don't forget the aviators...



Travis

You wanna make the time for the long range stuff quicker to induce some stress or leave it?

Leave it. Good starting point. We're kings so we can change things accordingly.



Travis

It's lonely at the top.




But we have each other.

Yet good to be the king.....

I prefer "Lord".



Travis

YOU SUCK.

I�m stuck at work and you�re tearing up the range� Nice shootin Tex!!

Just so we're all on the same page. It doesn't get much faster than this for a ready position.

Henceforth, you will be known as Lord Travis.

Anybody around Austin wanna get together and shoot this as a group? We could do Best of the West in Liberty Hill.

no cookies for me! I apparently have some work to do with the switch to a 1911.















1) averaged 0.91 to 1.15 sec
2) 1.61 was the best, 2 sec was average though
3) 4.0 is apparently where I live - 3.89 was tops, 4.43 worst
4) this I got a 3.43 tops, again, 4 seconds is where I'm at
5) no comment
6) ahem, 9 seconds would be generous

'll email the hostage target to y'all.
Shoot it from 5 yards.
1 shot in 2.5 seconds.
Repeat this five times.
All shots have to hit to pass.


I forgot to print this out before leaving the house but approximated it in the last pic. four tries, 1st try not from ready (5.67 sec), last three tries from ready, <10 sec each

so....#3,5,6 own me right now

Not to be confused with Lord Calvert.


Travis

Nice shootin' Utah! You be lookin' pimp in that Don Johnson I'm sure.



Travis

that's what the ladies tell me, anyway...

They look great but you gotta avoid those reload stages when you're wearing one...


Travis

hence the 9-12 second stage 6 - and that's with the flap already open

Good to see guys out shooting this already. I was gonna try tomorrow, but we're doing Six Flags with the kids instead.

Kids will always be around. Nice days won't.


Travis

Red dots and scopes are strictly forbidden because I'm worried their gayness might be contagious, but I've been asked about laser grips. I'll vote to allow laser grips since they are commonly used on regular defensive pistols.

Pending approval from the judge.

Fail.

Absolutely [bleep] not.


Travis

LOL, the judge seems pretty sure.

Laser this!

(I'm pointing at my cock)



Travis

can we ridicule contestants mercilessly for using a caliber under "xx" power floor ?

Absolutely. I'm a HUGE fan of ridicule.

Also, doesn't hurt to post the particulars of ones load. (From the firearm, sickos)


Travis

You wanna say minor power factor per USPSA as the minimum?

cool beans! that'll keep me from running the course with my Sig 1911-22



too late to edit, but my trial run above was using

25% Gold Dot 230gr
25% HST 230gr +P
50% 230gr PMC FMJ(for the volume stages, I admit)

This sounds like a hoot. Sending you a pm for the target.

Coltfan

If anyone hasn't received the target let me know, you should all have it.

Turned out to not be a nice day so I spent it with the family. It was 80* and sunny at home. 3 hours north at Six Flags it was 47*, windy and sprinkling rain on us.

But we managed.

Where are our other contestants???



Travis

shrap says he won...

I've emailed the hostage target out about a gagillion times.

I gots it printed off. Booked until Wednesday. After that I'll be shootin' round two.


Travis

How did your visit with the "legend" go?

You guys are crazy! What about POWDER BURNS!!!

I just picked up on this thread.....how about a gagilliion+1?

George

They will not count as a hit unless you bribe the judge

Was a good time. Shrap is the real deal. Great guy.


Travis

Don't be a girl.


Travis

Excellent

You guys have fun. Too may regs for me, think I'll stick to clay birds and water jugs a various ranges, fast if I want to, slow if I'd rather...

Comfort kills...


Travis

As the Lord says...............

MM

It does say "Clothing Optional"!

Travis, we've been asked for a rule clarification...

50 yard shots, what shooting positions are allowed?

Standing unsupported only?

Barricades allowed @ the fitty, but no the 25.

I think that's fair.


Travis

It's not about regulations. It's about using a measurable standard so that you can identify deficiencies and track your progress.

But that's not for everybody either.

I quit....

If it's the aviators...I know, they're kinda dorky. But you know how Deflave is with his manwood for Shrapnel. I'm gonna get a pair from the gas station. I'll mail mine to ya to use if you don't want to spend money on some.

Its not the aviators, its the challenge of doing all of this with a 10.5 barreled 45/70 BFR with a 24x Leupold......

Like I said, you guys have fun. Seriously.

I�ll do the same and measure my ability and progress may own way. Clay birds work for me and I can see hits on them way past where I can see hits on paper. Moreover, when I miss I see dirt fly on the berm. Instant feedback ain�t bad�

Attaboy!



Travis

Southern??

Agreed.

But there southern er's, so WGAF.

Who even cares what it's about, winning this is like wrestling a girl. If you win, you have only beaten a girl, if you lose, holy crap, you were beaten by a girl...

Observations...

This weekend I put 42 shooters through this couse of fire. Each one was timed but not told what the time limits were...just hit the target as fast as possible. I didn't keep exact records but the following are the approximate percentages/numbers...

1) Only 4-5 shooters made the 1.25 second limit and hit the target. Most shooters took 1.4-1.75 seconds for a successful hit.

2) About 10-12 shooters made the two shots in 1.75 seconds

3) About 14-16 made the 5 shots in 3 seconds

4) Almost 14-16 made the two shots per target in 3.5 seconds...most were in the 4-6 second range

5) Only 3-4 made the time and all the hits with the support hand only

6) No one made the 2-tactical reload-2 in 5 seconds. A few came close (I just realized I misread the instructions. I told them the magazine had to be retained...my mistake. Knowing these shooters I would say only about 5 out of the 40+ can do a 2-speedload-2 and get all their hits at 7 yards)

Long Range 25 yards: NO ONE MISSED a round and all finished under 30 seconds except for two shooters who just shot real slow because they could...and they still finished in 40 seconds)

Long Range 50 yards: As we were shooting indoors and had a 25 yard limit a standard piece of typing paper was used, this is less than 1/2 the size of the standard target at 1/2 the distance. 30+ of the shooters made all their hits. Only 2 shooters had 3 hits. The rest had 4-5 hits.


Didn't have the hostage target at the time. My guess would be that 7-10 could make the shot in the time.

I didn't get to shoot the course of fire as I was running the program....I am also beat by the end of the weekend, 11-9-7 hour days on the concrete will do that. Will try and run it next time I shoot with a partner.

Observations:

A standard piece of 8.5x11 sheet of paper would have been simpler and more realistic.

The 25 and 50 targets are WAY too big and times WAY too generous. A more realistic target could have been two pieces of paper forming a 8.5x22" target. Times cut to 20 seconds for 25 yards and 30 for 50 yards. (our shooters have to pass a test of 5 rounds from the holster at 25 yards in 12 seconds to get into the group)

Fun test...Bob

For whatever reason I think the five in 3 seconds is pretty tough. I'm surprised that many did it.



Travis

I've had a friend working with me recently on tempo. I've gotten much faster by working on a steady cadence of fire, and speeding up the cadence, than by just shooting "real fast". My fast shooting has gotten much more accurate doing it this way.

It really only matters when you get past about three shots though.

Nice to see you using the course RJM!

I stole a lot of it from Paul Howe and adjusted the times for us mortals. I can pass his standards, but you've got to be on top of your game to do it. It's definitely not something I always KNOW I can do on demand.

I believe his reasoning for a skinnier A Zone is to represent the side view of a bad guy (bad guy turned 90* to you).

Are you in LE or private instruction?

I dunno, I think the 4 shots in 5 seconds with a mag reload (#6) may be the hardest to do in the time.........even with an OS mag release, shooting one handed & with the 2nd mag held ready, that is tough.

If you are shooting something like a Glock or M& P with a standard mag release, that could be really tough.

JMHO

MM

I was LE for 30 years...now teach NRA courses and this group are all members from one of the clubs I belong to....about 80 in this group... There were 6 more in a new shooters session but they didn't shoot this...

Bob

I agree completely. I was just saying that I was surprised by the number of shooters RJM witnessed the 5 in 3 stage.


Travis

A lot of people I know can draw and fire one shot from the holster in 1.5 seconds...repeat shots at that point are usually in the .25 to .40 area...so four more shots adds only 1 to 1.5 seconds.

It was why a lot more shooters made the two shots in 1.75 seoconds than made the one shot in 1.25 seconds...their second shot took a lot less time once the gun was up and going.

Bob

Agreed...........but the mag drop & re-insertion & the drop of the slide is where the time comes in.

The actual shooting time is not an issue, especially from the ready position.

MM

I looked and that mag change stage is one that I didn't adjust the time on. We might need to adjust the time on it if the judge seems necessary.

I'm gonna really try and get to the range tomorrow afternoon.

I hit the hills today, ran through most of it (the 'long range' stuff will be easy) to get a feel.
I was using my Security-Six with mid-power LSWCs.
I've only shot weak-hand once before, in our last 24 contest. I'll have to practice a little. I could make the time OK, but my shots were stringing just left off the paper.
I need to practice for the hostage target, also. I nicked one guy's cheekbone, blasted through the other's eye socket edge, and gave one a sore shoulder. Those were 3, 4, & 5 after two perfect centers, so maybe I got cocky! But I was well within time, so I should be able to put that one together easily.
So, I'll be able to do everything but the reload stage. I haven't practiced that skill, either. I tried shooting with a pair of cartridges in my left hand, but I didn't come close to closing the cylinder before time expired. Then I tried it with a Sig 9, kept trying to (unnecessarily) pull out the mag.
I can't guarantee to myself that I'll pass that one ever.

Overall, fun.
But I'm slower than I was when I was in my practicing prime!


Do we have to run the whole deal through successfully, or are we allowed to patch together successful pieces?

macrabbit,

You can do the course in stages.

Bonus points for using a Security Six...


Travis

We are mere mortals. I beg of you, lords, kings, and judges.

I've got an idea-- take 10 seconds from the 50-yd stage and add them to the reload stage. The total time will be equal, everyone will be happy, and no one the wiser.

10 seconds!?!?!?!? You'd better be able to relaid an extra three times....

It's up to Deflave. I've recorded changing it to 5 seconds. That'll give you 1.75 for each two shots and 1.5 seconds for a reload.

Printing up the hostage target now, confirm on the 25 and 50 yard stages what positions are acceptable?