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Had occassion a week ago to see the Quentin Tarrantino movie "Django Unchained" - I enjoyed it very much and was greatly entertained and interested in it.
I saw the movie out on the west coast with an exceptional audio and video system in that new theatre.
The popcorn therein was SUPERB, fresh and refillable at no charge and that helped my enjoyment of the movie/story also.
I won't spoil any of the movie or "guest stars" for anyone but the storyline and characters were well done and acted.
Quentin Tarrantino is an excellent story teller no matter how weird he and/or his Wilt Chamberlin loving mother are/were.
The movie is LONG and constantly changing interesting points/plots.
It is amazing how Quentin Tarrantino can at times interject "humor" into the most serious and unpredictable of times throughout some of his movies?
I think I will see it again when it comes to my small home town here in SW Montana.
One reason I want to see it again is that I forgot to ascertain/see if the firearms used in the movie are "true" to the era of the movie - I have a suspicion some of the many and varied firearms are more modern than the year the movie takes place in (which was 1858).
The movie has taken in $115,000,000.00+ so far (in 16 days) and has been nominated now for some Academy Awards so I guess it is a success - no matter what I think of it.
But I recommend it with a VarmintGuy 1 to 100 rating of 95 on the high end of my scale.
If you see it be sure and empty your bladder BEFORE the movie starts - its 165 minutes (2 hours and 45 minutes!) long!
If you see it I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
If nothing else it is a stark reminder of mans inhumanity to other men and what a horrifc thing slavery was/is!
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It was entertaining if one likes Tarantino movies but if real historical accuracy, or even believable "accuracy" is one's criteria it fell a bit short. It felt more like a throwback to the movies when gunslingers were deadeyes just by pointing their revolver. He tries to infuse a spaghetti western feeling into it, there is even a song by Ennio Morricone, but it fell just a bit short. Or maybe it got sidetracked by Quentin's fascination with violence just for the sake of violence.

Picking a few nits to start out:

The slave can read. Not well, but he can read. It was against the law to teach a slave to read, so how did he learn?

They moved around the country like they had air fare. I've never seen people get from the West to the East to the South so quickly in a time when pioneers needed three months to get from St. Louis to Oregon. Plus, where were the Indians during all their travels around the West?

Django sure could shoot, but nobody else could. His cap and ball revolvers grouped better than a Freedom Arms. And they sure were powerful. Those little balls of lead went through two guys at a time splattering a quart of blood out of each one. Except when they were aimed at Django, then a human body made a great shield. At least the revolvers only held 6 shots each, that was a key part of some scenes.



But if you suspended reality for a while, it was vintage Tarantino. Quirky characters, ultra violence and ultra liberal use of words not uttered in polite company. And I have to say the man does know how to make a movie and tell a story, even if you might not like the story he tells.

They used quart sized squibs for gunshot wounds, the blood splattered from people like a large can of tomato juice hit by a .25-06. The front room of Candyland was literally painted red by the final gunfight. Everybody dies. I mean, everybody dies. Except Django. Sorry if that's a spoiler.

DeCaprio was good as a slimy guy, Jamie Foxx was okay as Django but he always seems too wimpy to be a real badass. When he spoke I kept seeing Ray Charles up there.

Samuel L. Jackson was great. Nobody cusses as convincingly as Samuel L. Jackson. When he calls someone a goddam [bleep]*ckin' n*gger, enunciating and infusing each syllable with malicious venom and pure hatred, you can really feel it.

Some folks will like the movie just to hear the word "n*gger" spoken aloud and with feeling about 200 times in a 3 hour period. Those same folks will hate it because they kill all the white people. When the body count is about as high as you think it's going to get, they go out of their way to find extra white people to kill.

I think Quentin's masterpiece will always be Kill Bill Vol. I and II with Pulp Fiction a close second, but this gets an A for effort.


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Interesting assessment. I hate the Bill movies and could not watch them.


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I'm with you, Ironbender. Did not like the Bill movies, in fact, I have no use for Tarantino. He's typical of the Hollywood left that makes ridiculously violent movies then claims they have no impact on mass shootings while they scream for radical gun control. Won't be going to Django.

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I shutdown the trapline early and am in Anchorage for a week or so,,It's on my things to do list. I think all his movie's are great and the Kill Bill's are some of my favorites.


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VarmitGuy,
If you see it again look for the glass on the bottom of the bottles they are shooting when he teaches him to shoot.
My wife swears that the bottles they used weren't made at that time. Don't know how she could tell as I don't recall what they looked like.

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How anyone could use their hard won dollars to support Jamie Fox after his racists rants is beyond me. To each his own.


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CrowRifle: I think Mr. Foxx (his name is spelled with two X's by the way) got his pay long before the film began raking in millions of dollars - including my few.
If indeed he has racism in his heart my dollars are more likely to be going to Mr. Tarantino who wrote and directed the movie and the three producers who fronted the money for the movie.
On the VERY SLIM chance that Mr. Foxx has a share of the box office pie (which I doubt!) then I guess my movie money (a penny?) which went to Mr. Foxx ends up in the hands of someone with politics different than mine?
And on the even slimmer chance that Mr. Foxx will get some future residuals from HBO type TV rents and such, then again my pennies are going to someone with politics and a heart that is different than mine.
Now for the reality of "the movies"!
The movies are made by and acted in by MOSTLY people with different politics and world views than I have!
Are you asking me never to go to any movie which employed a racist or a communist or a socialist?
If you are fool enough to suggest that, then I must ask you, do you attend movies that are made by liberals or racists?
Do you ever go to the movies?
If you do then I contend that you have supported racists (and reverse racists) and homosexuals, and sexual deviants, and democrats and drug users and ego maniacs etc etc etc with your hard earned dollars!
I have been employed by a number of movie companies and worked on many movies and got to know and interact with a number of actors (including John Wayne, Tom Hanks, Nick Nolte, Sylvester Stallone, Martin Short, Meg Ryan, Gerald McRaney, Yul Brenner and on and on) and for every John Wayne type who shares my political outlook there were a hundred Nora Ephrons and Yul Brenners who are at the extreme opposite end of the scale!
If you have the opinion ("to each their own") that a person (including yourself) should only attend movies that the crew and cast of holds opinions exactly as your own then I dare say you won't be attending any movies.
I'll choose my "own" ways to spend my hard earned dollars - if you don't mind?
My political battles are fought in another arena for the very most part.
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Greyghost1: I will be going to see the movie again as soon as it comes to my home town.
And I will look for the glass bottles and their vintage.
I am a bit of a collector of antique medicine (opiates and elixirs) bottles and have about 100 in my collection.
I can date them but the whiskey bottles and such are a bit out of my area of knowledge.
I forget which type bottles were being used as targets but will check soon.
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Waterrat: I hope you are entertained by and enjoy the movie (story) as much as I was.
I hope to get to Anchorage one more time before I cash in my chips.
I have been there twice and enjoyed both brief stays.
I hope you get a good price for your furs this year.
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Mtrancher: I enjoyed the Kill Bill movies but nowhere near as much as Pulp Fiction or Django Unchained.
I hope you get to see Django for free in the future so it won't offend your anti-violence sensibilities by having to pay for it.
Django is violent - no doubt about that but it contains no type of violence that was not in vogue (reality!) long before movies came along!
I also have been puzzled by why violence is so often incorporated in movies.
This puzzlement has lasted about 50 years now.
I have become resolved to the fact that violence sells movie tickets.
I also often wonder if onscreen violence has any socially redeeming values along with the possibility of negative values?
Say something like letting folks get some type of release by seeing violence on screen then they avoid committing it???
Again I don't know, but I do know for a fact that violence and the inhumanity of man came along many millenia before Quentin Tarantino and movies!
If you believe it is immoral or wrong that violence be portrayed on TV or in the movies then I respect that opinion - with the afore mentioned reservations acknowledged.
Most notably of which is - movies did not create violence!
Do movies and TV add to the amount of violence on earth today?
That is a good question.
If you believe that TV and movies add to our societies amount of violence then maybe you should try to get some laws passed banning violence in movies and on TV.
Good luck.
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Jim in Idaho: Your assessments and contentions are noted and I won't quibble with many of them (even though I could) but I do take solace in your mention of the word "entertaining" even though you lay the caveats on pretty heavily.
Which you have every right to do.
Let me cast these irons into the fire here - Mr. Tarantino made another movie called "Inglorious Basterds" which to date (January 13, 2,013) has brought in to the box office $316,142,592.00!!!
Thats right at 1/3 of a BILLION dollars!!!
And its still bringing in money!
And it departed (in Hollywood fashion!) from reality much more so than Django and his new owner making it across the country in who knows what amount of time?
I was very much entertained by Brad Pitt and Quentin Tarantino in that movie even though the ending could more be likened to science fiction or a fairy tale than to a "war movie"!
People, LIKE, Mr. Tarantinos way of telling a story on the big screen and I feel Django Unchained is going to ADD to that liking.
Suspension of reality is one of the MAJOR reasons humans enjoy movies so much and pay money to go see them - thank you Mr. Tarantino for doing it so well and so successfully.
Violence in a movie just for the sake of violence is another topic for conversation (argument) but again for some reason (and I do not pretend to know why this is so!) violence SELLS!
Back at the time of the movie (historical era) white people made up about 90% of the non-indian population of America and I am sure they made up at least 95% of the slave owners and wanted criminals of the time so it somewhat stands to reason that a VERY high percentage of the folks killed in the movie were indeed white folks.
I am not defending Mr. Tarantinos depiction (glorification if indeed it was that?) of a negro killing so many caucasians in his movie but I do not find it exceptionally outlandish in and of itself.
I have a cousin with whom I attended MANY movies when I was a teenager and a young man and after several of those movies I found myself remarking "that couln't possibly have happened or that could not have happened in real life" and her reply was always the same and always correct, "oh its just Hollywood".
I still love to go to the movies.
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P.S.: As of January 13, 2,013 Django Unchained has made $125,000,000.00 in the U.S. alone!
And the Tarantino movie "Inglorious Basterds" cost $70,000,000.00 to make and has earned over four and one half times that much money so far!
Figures for the production of Django Unchained are as yet unretrievable by me but I am sure it was much less than the $70,000,000.00 spent on Basterds having been shot a lot overseas?

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Typical of Tarrantino, the man seems to have a gore fetish.

The movie was entertaining as a whole, but I was disappointed to see the vast majority of whites depicted as inbred hill-billies whilst the blacks were shown as being down-trodden and noble.

There were plenty of amusing one-liners to be heard...and Samuel L. Jackson stole the show completely.


Ps, I would be interested to know whether Tarrantino is one of the hollywood anti- firearms nuts.


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If you like Tarrintino Movies, y'all need to check out one of his first ones.
Its called "True Romance" It stars Dennis Hopper, Christopher Walken, Christian Slater, Rosanee Arquette, & the Gangster guy from the Sopranos show on HBO.

Typical Tarrintono movie, with lots of blood, gore, & shoot outs, but you will have to watch the big scene with Walken & Dennis Hopper a few times to appreciate.
You can probably find it on the cheap rack at the local video store, easily. It will be the best $3 bucks you spend on a Tarrantino Movie. Enjoy!

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I GOT TO SEE IT!!! GREAT MOVIE!!


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Waterrat: The movie finally made it to my small town yesterday and the VarmintWife and I went to see it - her for the first time.
She actually really enjoyed it and remained quiet and attentive through the whole show.
I paid special attention this time to the armaments and they mainly were re-productions of the originals of the era.
The bottles in question I could not ascertain their manufacture period.
Both the ones used as targets and the ones used for drinking beer from - were unknown to me.
I thought the outstanding performance of the movie was by Leonardo Decaprio - even though his character was a true turd-like cretin he was convincing and entertaining to me.
I did notice that all the people in our small theatre (50 to 60 people) that not a single one of them got up to leave for any reason.
A small testament to Mr. Tarrantinos ability to tell a story (even a long one!) and keep the audiences attention fully.
I can't remember if I mentioned this in an earlier posting or not but I actually swam in the same remote (dead end dirt road goes right by it) hot spring that Django is seen swimming in- and has a dream/thought that his wife is there swimming with him. This was the mountain scene in the snowy winter time and early part of the movie.
Yes the Doctor and Django covered some country in a year or so but still a well told and interesting story I thought.
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I went last night, enjoyed it, Don't get into analysing them too much
Loved the holes in the hood scene
Went because Zero Dark Thirty wasnt on around that timeslot

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Hone: I am glad you enjoyed the movie.
And I also got a big kick out of the little tangental scene where the marauding horsemen got into the lengthy discussion of their hoods and how poorly they were working and who was to blame.
be sure to go see Zero Dark Thirty.
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Django came out for rent & sale first time today. Damn glad I didn't wast $10 at the Theatre, or spend $30 to buy it on Blue Ray.

I was pretty disappointed. Not near as good as most of Tarrantino's Flicks. Usual blood & gore we've come to expect from Tarantino, & all the white guys or actors get to use the N word quite a lot throughout the film.

I give it a 5 on a scale of one to ten. Definately would not watch it again. Tarrintino needs to stick to making movies about the Mexican Drug Cartels & Vampires. This was not one of his better efforts, IMHO


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Anyone that introduces obama as "our Lord and Saviour" is scum of the earth in my mind..That would be mr fox. Haven't seen it nor will I. Best part he ever played was the ugly girl in In living color. I do like the other movies QT has put out though. To each his own.

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