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Originally Posted by fish head
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Nepolitano mentioned that the interpretation used by Obama regime is different. I'm not absolutely certain about the details so TIFWIW.

I absolutely agree that a USC deserves his/her day in court and that's not the issue I was commenting on. It's the Public Safety/Miranda rights issue that I have concerns with.


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he is also subject to having his naturalization undone if it is shown he lied when he took the oath of citizenship....not sure what the time restrictions are for that action.

my thought is to try the little bastard and convict him in a regular court and give him the needle.....trying to denaturalize him, ship him to Gitmo, treat him as an enemy combatant, etc. are just side shows that will delay the proceedings with endless appeals of procedural issues.

and with this bunch of commies in power, you don't want them setting precedents about crossing that bright line between how you treat American citizens for alleged offenses in the US and how you treat foreigners acting on foreign soil.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by fish head
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by fish head
Nepolitano mentioned that the interpretation used by Obama regime is different. I'm not absolutely certain about the details so TIFWIW.

I absolutely agree that a USC deserves his/her day in court and that's not the issue I was commenting on. It's the Public Safety/Miranda rights issue that I have concerns with.


If it saves one life?


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he is also subject to having his naturalization undone if it is shown he lied when he took the oath of citizenship....not sure what the time restrictions are for that action.

my thought is to try the little bastard and convict him in a regular court and give him the needle.....trying to denaturalize him, ship him to Gitmo, treat him as an enemy combatant, etc. are just side shows that will delay the proceedings with endless appeals of procedural issues.

and with this bunch of commies in power, you don't want them setting precedents about crossing that bright line between how you treat American citizens for alleged offenses in the US and how you treat foreigners acting on foreign soil.


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Originally Posted by fish head
I've heard discussions about the forty eight hours but I don't believe from I've heard that it's set in stone. There's been discussion about the length of time it would take to properly assess the public safety threat. I believe in this case where an injured terrorist was unconscious and unable to answer questions the forty eight hours goes out the window.

The issue of an American citizen, even a naturalized citizen, committing an act of terrorism and being classified as an enemy combatant without positive unequivocal proof of ties to an foreign enemy of the US that results in the loss of their constitutional rights is a precedent I don't want to see.

I specifically mentioned foreign enemy. The classification of a domestic enemy combatant is very troubling.



His partner in this terrorist act was not a citizen



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How would Bloombunghole's ideal line up with me agreeing with Steve_NO that this guy should be tried in Court, as the Constitution maintains?


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They were either guilty of something 2 years ago or weren't. You can't lock folks up cuzz you think they might do something, else we'd all be in jail, except for TRH who will never do anything.
We should be able to kick out foreigners if we decide that they are a threat to public safety. We also should be able to strip this idiot of his citizenship if we decide he was lying when he to the oath of citizenship.


Or better yet, an individual applying for citizenship should have an overriding rationale for why we should accept him. Right now we ask why shouldn't we reject him (for citizenship).

Seems backward considering the fact that with our welfare state as it is we are the ones opening ourselves to risk and liability in the transaction.

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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
he is also subject to having his naturalization undone if it is shown he lied when he took the oath of citizenship....not sure what the time restrictions are for that action.

my thought is to try the little bastard and convict him in a regular court and give him the needle.....trying to denaturalize him, ship him to Gitmo, treat him as an enemy combatant, etc. are just side shows that will delay the proceedings with endless appeals of procedural issues.

and with this bunch of commies in power, you don't want them setting precedents about crossing that bright line between how you treat American citizens for alleged offenses in the US and how you treat foreigners acting on foreign soil.


I agree on all counts, though I would be uncomfortable with any in power crossing that bright line.

If all the gov & MSM say is true, there will be no challenge involved in convicting him in domestic court. Heaven knows that is what I'd want if I was accused.

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I just heard an excellent treatise by Judge Napolitano on the issue. I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind as to his grasp of the Constitution and individual rights. As expected and I agree, the terrorist should be granted all rights under our laws.
That said, it would have been perfectly legal-had there or if there is a connection to Al-Quaida, Taliban, etc he can be interrogated for up to thirty days without Miranda to try and extract information from him. If successful, NONE of that could be used against him in court,but as the Judge says, there is enough to convict him based on what we have already. It seems to me this would have been the way to go, but it's OBE now. Also there is absolutely no statute called the "48 hour Rule" that the marxist in the WH was trying to implement.


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I totally understand the court system but definitely not comfortable with the lack of deterrence for enemy combatants on American soil citizen or not.Come on over sit a spell then blow chit up,kill and maim hundreds,then get a fair trial!
These bastards need to be placed in a harsh interrogational environment,treated as the enemy they are.. doesn't get any better down the road as we've become a soft society offering up a wealth of soft targets for their exploitation.


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