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Seems to be a common theme with the TB Sledgehammers. I've heard more than one PH express a disdain and lack of trust in the bullet.
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Worst I've ever seen are the TBBC and the best I've ever used by a country mile are GS Custom monolithic solids.  I use GS Custom exclusively in all my hunting rifles. Are you talking about the FN or the HV in your above post? ...and are you talking in a hunting sense or in a stopping rifle?
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In my tiny statistical experience with buffalo I have experienced NO failres with either Hornaday 500 grain softs or solids, the 300 grain softs and solids in .375, and the 300 grain .375 steel solids from Woodleigh. I have, however, seen the nose of one Woodleigh .375 "expand/flatten" and look as if it had been "smeared" to the side of the bullet. The buffalo didn't notice and was dead in less than a minute or two. I also had a 300 grain Hornaday soft that looked as if only one half of the bullet had hit bone - it opened up only on one half of the bullet.
Some wonderful hours have been spent with my best pals talking about our experiences with recovered bullets and how the animal reacted. So far we have NO idea of what caused what some would call "failures" and why there seemed to be no difference in the reaction of the animal.
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+1...... The Barnes Band solid in flat point form is also in that category but I am not a fan of the round nose version
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KMG I was referring to the FN mono solid & I reckon they're the very best for both hunting & stopping.
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Shakari,
How do those GS flat-nose solids feed in bolt actions?
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Shakari,
How do those GS flat-nose solids feed in bolt actions? When I first saw them I thought it'd be a BIG problem but I was completely wrong....... they slide in like butter.
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Good deal! Since the trend toward flat noses solids started there have been some problems in that area. What rifle or rifles are you shooting 'em in?
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I've used then in a Z24 action (404 Jeffery) & a L/H Weatherby MkV action ((rebuilt to) .500 Jeffery)
Also seen them used in umpteen calibres & actions & never seen a single problem with them.
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Great! Thanks for the info.
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Incidentally, one of the chapters of my books focuses on bullets & has a fair number of pics that illustrate the point that FMJ solids don't come close to a good mono solid..... esp the GSC FN.
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Winchestermodel70: Please GFY. Such language! What's your problem? Why don't you let Mule Deer speak for himself so we can learn from his personal experiences shooting DG with solids? Why do you do this kind of thing constantly?  We get the message that you have been to Africa a bunch of times and shot some African dangerous game;that really takes nothing more than the ability to stroke a bunch of large checks. Be reminded that Elmer Keith doled out a bunch of good advise on dangerous game rifles, cartridges and bullets,is frequently cited,and IIRC went on a grand total of one safari. Your advise is appreciated, but calling out other people for passing along information (appreciated especially considering his stature in the shooting/hunting community) is distracting and,(how do they say?) unseemly grandstanding.  My gripe with Mule Deer is that he persists in opining on hunting DG when he has no personal experience hunting DG. He's never hunted or shot elephant, rhino, lion or leopard, yet he can't restrain himself from giving his opinions on what works and what doesn't. And when confronted with that fact, he does all he can to avoid admitting that in truth, he's never done it. And, sir, if you think hunting DG and taking the Big Five is simply a matter of writing checks, then I suggest you write the checks, go on the safaris and let us know if you still hold that view to be true after you have completed the deed.
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I've reread his post. He specifically "opines" on bullets deforming based on what they are made of. Seems you look for something to gripe about and have a chip on your shoulder -- that's what's unseemly.
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My gripe with Mule Deer is that he persists in opining on hunting DG when he has no personal experience hunting DG. He's never hunted or shot elephant, rhino, lion or leopard, yet he can't restrain himself from giving his opinions on what works and what doesn't. And when confronted with that fact, he does all he can to avoid admitting that in truth, he's never done it
Not to grind this into the turf,but as far as I know from his writings, he has hunted Cape Buffalo,made several trips to Africa,and has hunted grizzly bear here. Both Cape Buffalo and grizzly are generally and widely regarded as "dangerous game",are they not? He has years of studying terminal ballistics and observed results on game. Seems to me, you were stalking him like a pointer working singles after a covey burst...  I read his post,and he made general comments on the behavior of solid bullets.Was there something "wrong" in what he said? Since when is he required to pass your litmus test before he offers an "opinion"? By his profession and his experiences,he qualifies as an "expert"....it's you I am not certain of. Experts gather knowledge not only through their own experiences, but from other sources as well. Why? Because "personal experiences" can be thin,flawed,wrought with personal prejudice and limited perspective,and not so all encompassing in scope. I would bet that you did not come by "all" your knowledge of solid bullets strictly on your own...if you are honest,you will admit to having at least SOME advise along the way. Otto von Bismarck is credited with having said that a wise man learns through the experiences of others; a fool through his own. In any event your carping and sniping (in the interests of your own self-aggrandisement)detracted from the thread.My apologies to the OP for having done likewise. Thanks for the tip on hunting dangerous game; I have only done so twice.You are not the first person, here or elsewhere, to have stroked a five figure check for the privilege.
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My gripe with Mule Deer is that he persists in opining on hunting DG when he has no personal experience hunting DG. He's never hunted or shot elephant, rhino, lion or leopard, yet he can't restrain himself from giving his opinions on what works and what doesn't. And when confronted with that fact, he does all he can to avoid admitting that in truth, he's never done it
Not to grind this into the turf,but as far as I know from his writings, he has hunted Cape Buffalo,made several trips to Africa,and has hunted grizzly bear here. Both Cape Buffalo and grizzly are generally and widely regarded as "dangerous game",are they not? He has years of studying terminal ballistics and observed results on game. Seems to me, you were stalking him like a pointer working singles after a covey burst... I read his post,and he made general comments on the behavior of solid bullets.Was there something "wrong" in what he said? Since when is he required to pass your litmus test before he offers an "opinion"? By his profession and his experiences,he qualifies as an "expert"....it's you I am not certain of. Experts gather knowledge not only through their own experiences, but from other sources as well. Why? Because "personal experiences" can be thin,flawed,wrought with personal prejudice and limited perspective,and not so all encompassing in scope. I would bet that you did not come by "all" your knowledge of solid bullets strictly on your own...if you are honest,you will admit to having at least SOME advise along the way. Otto von Bismarck is credited with having said that a wise man learns through the experiences of others; a fool through his own. In any event your carping and sniping (in the interests of your own self-aggrandisement)detracted from the thread.My apologies to the OP for having done likewise. Thanks for the tip on hunting dangerous game; I have only done so twice.You are not the first person, here or elsewhere, to have stroked a five figure check for the privilege. Bravo! I wish that I could convey my thoughts as well through the written word
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BobinNH & Ingwe:
Is Mule Deer so weak in the knees that he can't defend his own opinions and depends on his usual minions to do it for him? If I'm a pointer, then you guys are lap dogs.
The guy may have a lot of experience handloading, hunting deer, elk, geese and whatever. He may know what makes a rifle shoot tight groups and how many grains of powder X to put in a .30/06 case, but he's never stood in front of a charging elephant, dropped it and then watched whilst the bullet was recovered. Until he does, he simply has no credibility on that topic. Not with me, anyway.
Craig Boddington, on the other hand, has done well over 100 African safaris and taken the Big Five multiple times. When Craig writes about solids and how they perform on heavy DG, he speaks with authority based on his wealth of DG experience and I listen. That's because he's been there, done it and has "seen the elephant". Up close, in the bush and not just at the Bronx Zoo. See the difference?
If you can't "see the difference" between actual experience and conjecture, then I am at at loss as to be able to explain it with any more clarity.
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I have shot all my "dangerous" game with AP (armor piercing) bullets!
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Stop being a dickwad, dickwad. You're doing it just because you can.
Also you are damaging Model 70s everywhere by your association with them.
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Yeah I get it..... Now you have to be Craig Boddington to voice an opinion on bullets.... You don't want him to express an opinion because you don't think he has enough experience....not that he said something that is factually incorrect...but you don't want him to voice an "opinion"....at all...because he does not meet yourstandards. They call that censorship.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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