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We've put some of the 585HE bolt guns in composite and Hogue
stocks, and they are rugged for extreme weather. And they
don't break under heavy loads. Prices are nice and they have
aluminum pillars and/or aluminum bedding blocks.
And with their hollow butts very easy to add weight to take up
recoil. If lead and epoxy added to a complete fill of the hollow,
too much weight, so I found a nice cheap substitute.
We now using rubber coated mouse balls that we have bunch of.
They are steel with rubber coating, and the right weight.
They add just the right weight and and wedge in good.
And won't rattle with coating, and we hold them in tight with
a piece of dense foam under butt pad.



We get asked about how much speed potential we have. And
we start by mentioning cases can hold 190-200 gr of ball powder
with the bullets loaded out longer. And have tested those heavy
powder loads with 650 gr jacketed bullets, in the Enfield
pictured I use as one of my test guns.



And more fun shooting, using a pistol grip on one of the
585HE falling block test guns. Real heavy loads try to spin us
around like a weathervane.. Ed

Have you necked it down to 50?

PM incoming

Safariman I answered your PM mail.

Burleyboy- Can be done and I have cases with plain heads for
guys wanting to wildcat them, If necked to 50cal be a
longer improved version of 505 Gibbs.

I need this rifle like I need a third eye, but damn the torpedo's I want one!

'''anong the fastest of its caliber''

Well this fits the bill for you, 650gr

tested over 3000 fps .. Ed

That's what I was thinking and then it would be legal for hunting in more places.

Bb

It is legal for hunting anywhere I've heard of, as we got a
sporting use exemption from ATF DD rules, and it is
registered as sporting case. Most places having real
big dangerous game prefers guys use big bores,
I think..I would think necked down for target use,
but the 750gr long pointed 585 cal bullets
are very streamlined, and would work as a 600yd or
1000yd target round in a heavy barrel gun.Ed

650 grains a 3000fps?!?!?!?!?! Holy SMOKES, those are going to leave 'a mark' at both ends!

Who makes those bullets and the lighter friendlier ones?

Do you rifles regulate well with both or Several loads?

That speed was with a soft jacket 650 gr DKT bullet.

Not made any more, as Chuck passed on years ago,

His 750 gr shot close to same point of aim at 50 yds.

The Barnes solids would go to different spot by couple inches

The Minie bullets we use go to different points of aim.

Minies are all lighter and guys GB sells them, we use ones

measuring .585" Guy here up north makes heat treated 640gr ones,

and as hard as solids, that go as fast as any jacketed and

a third the cost. And can't lead up as they are so hard.

For deer, hogs, target, minies are great, just shoot

them fast and won't lead up. Above 2700. Ed

HAve you tried the Sabot muzzleloader bullets that carry a .44 or .45 cal pointed bullet in them? I am thinking along the lines of having two scopes for a rifle, both in identical QD rings that fit on a Weaver/picatinny rail. One dialed in for a heavy DGR load, and maybe one for the Sabot load packing a relatively high BC plastic tipped 300gr 44 caliber bullet. Should be able to get some crazy-azzed speeds out of that, and the Sabot is not going to lead up a barrel, either. One MIGHT be able to even Moly Coat the Sabots! Can one just image an Elk, black bear, wild hog, Zebra or Kudu hit by a 300gr 44 caliber plain lead plastic tipped HP bullet that launched at 3400-3500fps? Maybe a Barnes MZ HP bullet in a Sabot so it holds together?

The versatility of this round is maybe one of its strongest points, especially if that experiment works too. The possibilities are legion.

Another way to go is a fixed peep regulated for the heavies, and then just one scope of moderate X's dialed in for the plains game, softer skinned animal loads.

Yes we have found two sabots, Just tested recently.

Pics of sabots and and slugs in few days,

One uses .458 slugs and other .452 pistol slugs.

A light 250gr slug can go about mach four.

Our 585 caliber is the most versatile case by far, above

458 with all the jacketed 585 bullets, with all the 585

turned solids, with all 585 lead solid and minie bullets,

with all the 585sabots avalable...I keep saying 58cal

is where it is at, time to get on the bandwagon,

they making a dozen more barrels of cases.Ed

A related case to our 585 is the 24ga FH that has 3" chamber and
brass cases reworked 577NE cases, that we reduce the rim down
to .720"... the 24ga size rim...We make minimum chamber so that 24ga
plastic cases, 2.5" long just fit. And min chamber cuts down on a lot
of brass case expansion, which the wears cases out.

The barrels are same bore barrels as our 585 and the hollowbase minie
bullets work great in it, the ones that are .585", 440gr to 540gr.
Makes hairy 24ga gun for deer, etc. Be useful in shotgun only areas.
Guys on GB sells the .585" minies. And the brass cases, we don't have
to wait for them to be made.



Here is what 585HE barrel and its monoblock look like before
screwing the barrel in.This one was 585HE, but process same if
monoblocking in 24ga FH...Ed

Here is picture of 585HE with 24ga FH ...585 longer one.
Both use same bullets/slugs, same caliber barrels.
Different easy usages, 24ga FH is an easy setup in break
actions and 585HE in bolt actions and falling blocks.



Picture of non-discarding 585/24ga sabot cup I found that holds
458 bullets and slugs tight. It had hammerhead type slug in it that
someone pulled out, and they wouldn't stay in tight after pulled.
Supposed to be for 20ga, But this sabot was a loose fit
in 20ga, though made for 20ga, so I shrunk diameter of bottom rib,
fits perfect, super tight, in 24ga and 585HE. A press in fit gives
good resistance for good ignition. real tight fit.



Here is a 24ga/585 discarding sabot that holds .452" 45cal pistol
bullets. Made by Hornady for 58cal Muzzle loaders..
With 250 gr bullet in 585HE, hopped up load will go about mach 4.



For ease of getting actions in stocks, I like composites.They are
strong. come colors, many can be painted with tough surface
paint. And They need weight added for big bore use..
An easy way to weight plastic stocks with hollow butts, use rubber
coated computer mouse balls, weight comes out perfect, without being
too heavy if using that much lead. And coating keeps them quiet, and
we hold them in with piece dense foam under butt pad....Ed

Ed,

You are using Hogue stocks for the Enfield, are these special order or what model are you modifying? I can't find any mention of a Hogue purpose built for the Enfield. If you are modifying an existing stock is it a pillar bed or bedding block stock?
Thanks
Thaine

Thaine- I use the stock they make for Howa 1500/WEA Vanguard.

It is pillar bedded and I rework inside of rear pillar to

align rear screw, open mag area for longer case, etc.Ed

First AUS buffalo killed by 585HE. By Tankunter with his Ruger #1.

If you use closeup on picture, you see loaded round on the buffs hide

next to the 585HE Ruger #1.... A nice heavy barreled gun..Ed




I put the 585 in a Savage 112, lots of room lengthwise, figuring out an
extractor is a problem, but then got a look at the savage 212, the 12 ga
one with big diameter bolt and locking lugs. Its locking lugs are bigger
than the lugs in a big PH bolt action. So one day will do one
on a Savage 212, and adjusting extractor to fit no problem...Ed

Here is picture of 100 cases loaded with CEB solid nose bullets
and hollowpoints. This bullet is a turned solid with wide meplat
or wide hollowpoint. .



Here is pic of a Enfield with a jeweled and polished bolt, going
to be 585HE. In the back, Bolt jeweling and polishing done by the
great craftsmen, Bob Snapp, years ago.



Picture comparing unfired and fired cases showing our tough cases
One on the left fired with 650gr at 2400 and base above belt
didn't hardly expand, Size the top and reload/shoot again.
And AHC will make guns now with our 585HE for any wanting
super top quality guns.They have some cases to give to guys
as a sample to show guys the case. Ed

Ed, do you change the bolt handles on the actions, or does someone do it for you. I might want to get rid of the dogleg on mine, but could do it afterwards.

Pretty cool stuff!

Mike