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Oklahoma cattle ranchers report rustling at all-time highBy CURTIS KILLMAN - Tulsa WorldPUBLISHED: NOVEMBER 18, 2013 Cattle thefts are at an all-time high in the state largely due to high beef prices, according to industry and state officials. So far this year, ranchers across the state have reported 835 cattle thefts, a 16 percent increase compared to 2012, when about 700 cattle were stolen during the first 10 months of the year. "I believe this is the highest that we have had historically since we have been collecting the data," said Blayne Arthur, state Department of Agriculture associate commissioner. Brett Singleton from the Langford Ranch near Beggs reported on on Wednesday that The Langfords lost $100,000 in livestock to thieves in September and October. Tulsa World
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Same jokers who run their hog dogs across us.
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There was an article in the Joplin, MO newspaper a few months back stating the rise in cattle rustling. They catch them once in a while. Not many ranchers are running around county roads at 2am pulling a stock trailer.
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Part of the problem is that county sheriffs are less than enthuzed with being hard asses for the most part and won't enforce trespassing laws. This leads to situations where you get a high influx of white trash poaching and being on your land. Then they see the cows in the field, hay in the barn, and the ATV in the shed and start to covet what they don't own. We have deer camera pictures of Billy Bob running his hogdogs on camera in the middle of our place and the old sheriffs office is nonresponsive. They basically don't want to get into the middle of what is basically real class warfare: rich gentlemen farmers verses white trash subsistence hunters who think that the hunting methods used in 1930 are still acceptable.
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that will get you 10yrs in the pen here.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand?
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that will get you 10yrs in the pen here. It'll get 'em worse than that when I catch them... Been losing cattle for years, but when you can't cover the expanse of the ranch within a day's ride in a pickup truck, it's hard to keep an eye on all of them. We do find the cut fences and tracks, and resulting cows without calves, or calves without cows. I will not fire warning shots.
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If they had any taste they'd go to California and steal them damn wino cows that Spankacoculas has been feedin'.
If ya gonna steal a cow,..you might as well steal a good 'un.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? Several ways. Some states have mandatory inspection at the ranch by a state brand inspector before the cattle are allowed to be loaded on the truck and shipped off the ranch. The paperwork accompanies the cattle. They also have brand inspectors inspecting cattle at all sale barns. These states have a statewide brand registration. The inspectors are certified peace officers, and carry a gun. New Mexico is like the above. But, it doesn't stop thieves from stealing unbranded calves, or just shooting what they want in your pasture, and taking the meat. Had both happen there. Some states don't. Texas for example, you register your brand in the county where you ranch. There are 254 counties, so there can be multiple registrations of the same brand... They record the brands at the sale barns, but if they are 5-600 miles away, who will question them? Beef packers are a free for all generally. Or, they do as they did in the old days and brand over existing brands, then let them peel and heal and run them through the sale ring. A load of stolen cattle was caught not long ago inside an RV motorhome by a traffic cop that pulled it over. Nobody even suspected, until they got caught. They are pretty sophisticated now.... Lots of ways to profit.
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By CURTIS KILLMAN World Staff Writer
Cattle thefts are at an all-time high in the state largely due to high beef prices, according to industry and state officials.
So far this year, ranchers across the state have reported 835 cattle thefts, a 16 percent increase compared to 2012, when about 700 cattle were stolen during the first 10 months of the year.
"I believe this is the highest that we have had historically since we have been collecting the data," said Blayne Arthur, state Department of Agriculture associate commissioner.
Arthur said the increase in thefts can be tied to the price of cattle.
"Beef prices have been trending upward over the past few years and a lot of that is due to a decrease in the beef herd, in part, due to the drought," Arthur said.
With cattle selling between $1 and $1.50 per pound, each head can easily be worth $1,000 or more, she said.
"That's quite a bit of money. If you steal 10 or 20 or 30 head, it adds up pretty quick," Arthur said.
A bill passed in 2001 authorized the state agriculture department to hire its own agents to arrest horse thieves and cattle rustlers.
Launched with just two investigators, today the agency has 10 individuals who investigate livestock thefts, arson investigations in forests and timber thefts.
"Usually, the cases that we receive come from the sheriff's office and we work collaboratively with them and OHP and OSBI," Arthur said.
The state unit has filed 274 felony charges thus so far this year.
But not all cattle-theft cases are passed on to the Department of Agriculture investigative unit, Arthur said.
The Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association also investigates cases of cattle theft in Oklahoma.
The association employs 30 "special rangers" stationed throughout Oklahoma and Texas who investigate thefts for its members.
One of the cases being worked this year by the TSCRA involves a theft reported from an Okmulgee ranch.
Nineteen cows and calves valued at more than $100,000 were discovered missing from the Langford Hereford cattle ranch beginning in September.
The cattle, highly valued because of their genetic makeup, were taken despite being branded, tattooed and ear tagged.
Within weeks, TSCRA investigators arrested a Haskell woman in connection with the cattle thefts.
Special Ranger Bart Perrier said last week that he continues to work on the Langford ranch thefts.
Suzy Langford said about half the cattle have been recovered so far from sale barns in Oklahoma and other states.
Preventing cattle thefts can be a challenge. Perrier described the crime as "low risk, high reward."
Langford said they have reviewed security procedures as best they can.
Gates are locked and all cattle are branded and regularly checked, she said. But "our pastures are scattered over several miles."
Staff will no longer be keeping pens in remote pastures, believed to have been where the thieves loaded cattle, she said.
"It just makes it harder for us," Langford said. "But what else can you do?"
Perrier could not say whether the TSCRA is seeing an increase in reported thefts.
"I don't know if there is an increase ... it just never goes away," Perrier said, adding that "drugs fuel 98 percent of it."
He said investigating cattle thefts in Oklahoma can be somewhat challenging.
Livestock brand registration is voluntary in Oklahoma, unlike Texas and other states, Perrier said.
A registered brand is a primary means to determine livestock ownership because, Perrier said, "black Angus cows all look the same."
In Oklahoma, there are about 13,000 brands registered through a voluntary program managed by the Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association. The figure includes horse brands and ranches with multiple brands.
Cattlemen's Association spokeswoman Chancey Hanson said the agency favors voluntary brand registration.
As with the TSCRA, the Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association offers a $10,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of individuals who steal cattle, Hanson said.
A felony conviction on larceny of domestic animals carries a prison term of three years to 10 years imprisonment.
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If they had any taste they'd go to California and steal them damn wino cows that Spankacoculas has been feedin'.
If ya gonna steal a cow,..you might as well steal a good 'un. HAR!
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We need some "long-range" watchmen to oversee the herds. A few missing rustlers and the word will get around.
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I think we were 20-30 head short post roundup this year.
Can't remember exactly.
Anyway we wound up with a big slick bull calf and an extra bred heifer. Cow must have Wintered out in the hills with her 2012 calf(the bred heifer) and then had the bull calf. It was pretty sweet.
We found a little scattered groups here and there since round up but still short. Some die, bogged, lightning, random weird chit.
And yes, I'm sure a few strays never make it back wind up in someone else's herd.
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There was an article in the Joplin, MO newspaper a few months back stating the rise in cattle rustling. They catch them once in a while. Not many ranchers are running around county roads at 2am pulling a stock trailer. One time back in the '70s I was running a rig up a lonely little state highway in central Missouri about 2:00 AM. I found men on horses herding cattle across the highway and down a side road where a cattle rack was parked. Now this was at a point in my life when I was highly aware that I was naive about many things, so I really didn't know what to think of that. I made note of the crossroad name and put the pedal down until I got to the next town and a pay-phone. I called the Sheriff's office and made what must have been a peculiar report. "I really don't know your area or your ways, but I lived on a cattle ranch in Illinois and I never saw any farmer awake at 2:00 AM let alone herding cattle across a highway." "Does that seem peculiar to you?" The deputy's reply was to the effect that: Darn tooting he thought it was peculiar!
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My dad and I gathered cows off the high school lawn about 20 years ago....at 2AM.
Middle of winter and a pack of dogs chased a little bunch off the river and right into town.
Sheriff calls up and let us know. Herded them right down main street on the way back home.
The next day at school everyone was wondering about the cow chit on the lawn.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/modern-day_cattle_rustlers_hit.htmlJORDAN VALLEY -- They were spotted from a small airplane, two cattle rustlers on horseback hazing 125 white-faced cows across Malheur County's forbidding "empty quarter" in Oregon's far southeast corner. The men, sighted last spring, were pushing the stolen herd south through a high-desert tapestry of chaparral, manzanita, juniper and sagebrush. They looked like ordinary cowboys. The pilot descended for a closer view, but the men didn't look up, said brand inspector Rodger Huffman of the Oregon Department of Agriculture. The pilot finally had to break away, and the Malheur County Sheriff's Office didn't hear about the sighting until a week later. 'ION Country' has reckless, dangerous past In the 19th century, Oregon�s southeast corner was part of �ION country � � where Idaho, Oregon and Nevada meet � and some say it was among the most dangerous regions of the Old West. Its gold and silver mines helped bankroll the Union during the Civil War, and gunbattles erupted inside mines over ownership of ore veins. Paiute, Shoshone and Bannock warriors fought to defend territory and their way of life. As late as 1900, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid rode through the Jordan Valley after a bank holdup in Winnemucca, Nev. Two decades later, so much bootlegged whiskey was produced that Jordan Valley was known as the �moonshine capital of eastern Oregon.� Now, area ranches can be 60 miles long, and ranching families sometimes drive two hours to reach a paved road. Wild horses roam terrain shaped by canyons, arroyos and mountains with such names as Hoodoo Butte, Defeat Butte and Horse Hill. Stagecoach ruts are still visible in the desert. Rand Collins, a Malheur County rancher who lost 150 cattle to thieves three years ago, says 19th-century Oregon ranchers sometimes rode into Nevada and Idaho to steal cows, swimming them back across the Owyhee River. Out-of-state ranchers retaliated by stealing Oregon cows. �There were several cowboys drowned in the river and all kinds of stories,� he said. �But it�s not a game anymore.� -- Richard Cockle It was one of the few glimpses anyone has caught of men suspected of stealing 1,240 cattle worth $1.2 million over the past three years from Malheur County ranches. Hundreds more cows have been taken in bordering counties in Idaho and Nevada. Cattle rustling did not fade away with the Old West. What makes these thieves unusual, investigators said, is the scale and duration of their operations, their use of horses to reach areas inaccessible to car or truck, and the fact that they sometimes drive their plundered herds for days, carefully sweeping around ranches and people. Ranchers are circulating wanted posters offering a $47,500 reward for information that leads to a conviction. Some are also spending spare time on horseback, ATVs and in pickups and airplanes trying to hunt the rustlers down, Malheur County Undersheriff Brian Wolfe said. Malheur County sheriff's Deputy Bob Wroten and others suspect the thefts are the work of one group of four to six men who are well-acquainted with the territory. "The way these cattle are ending up missing, those guys grew up tough," he said. "They lived the life all their lives. They aren't outsiders." The losses have been devastating. Most of the stolen cattle were females that each year produce calves worth $600 apiece. About 20 Oregon ranches have been hit, with a dozen taking the brunt of losses, Huffman said. In Humboldt County in Nevada at least 500 cattle are missing, and still more have been stolen in Owyhee County in Idaho. MORE,,,,
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. here they usually forge sale paper work.....branded cattle do change hands and you just get basically a sales reciept saying it was sold to you....with this you can then also sell the cow at a sale barn.....least thats one of the last guys up here did with the ones he didnt butcher himself and then sell the meat.....
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I can see how they'd be worth stealing. Beef is getting so expensive that my family is getting priced out of eating it.
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I can see how they'd be worth stealing. Beef is getting so expensive that my family is getting priced out of eating it. when the girls were in the house we would buy it by the half.....just bought a quarter of a 4-H steer a few weeks ago....as much as i like wild game, i also like our local prairie raised beef....
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Setting aside the fact that "ION" rustlers are thieves, I reckon they are damn good cowboys. Too bad they can't make a good enough living to suit them on the square.
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P.S. When they get caught, I'll take their horses. What do you say, Sammo?
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I've got some "neighbors" - been seen @ 2AM pulling trailers. They both should be gunshot victims. There are places, even the crows wouldn't find a body.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. Really? Lots of stockmen around here brand. There are also a lot of guys out at night messing with their cows. Years ago a local prankster called my Uncle up about 2am and said his cows were all out. He and my other Uncle spent the rest of the night out looking for them. Turned out they were laying down in this pasture just out of eyesight. The guy who called knew that. Lots of reasons to be out herding cattle at 2am.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. Really? Lots of stockmen around here brand. There are also a lot of guys out at night messing with their cows. Years ago a local prankster called my Uncle up about 2am and said his cows were all out. He and my other Uncle spent the rest of the night out looking for them. Turned out they were laying down in this pasture just out of eyesight. The guy who called knew that. Lots of reasons to be out herding cattle at 2am. Maybe I spent too much time in the milk barn? All my buddies that run momma cows back home and over here just ear tag.
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. Really? Lots of stockmen around here brand. There are also a lot of guys out at night messing with their cows. Years ago a local prankster called my Uncle up about 2am and said his cows were all out. He and my other Uncle spent the rest of the night out looking for them. Turned out they were laying down in this pasture just out of eyesight. The guy who called knew that. Lots of reasons to be out herding cattle at 2am. Maybe I spent too much time in the milk barn? All my buddies that run momma cows back home and over here just ear tag. LOL! Milk makes malts. The DQ rocks.
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...shoot the horse??
If you leave them thieves out there walking, theyll think twice. Long way to wherever.
Then surround them. And brand them with the scarlett thief letter.
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P.S. When they get caught, I'll take their horses. What do you say, Sammo? You can have the mares, I dibs the geldings....grin
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How do they get away with selling someone else's brand? In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. Really? Lots of stockmen around here brand. There are also a lot of guys out at night messing with their cows. Years ago a local prankster called my Uncle up about 2am and said his cows were all out. He and my other Uncle spent the rest of the night out looking for them. Turned out they were laying down in this pasture just out of eyesight. The guy who called knew that. Lots of reasons to be out herding cattle at 2am. Maybe I spent too much time in the milk barn? All my buddies that run momma cows back home and over here just ear tag. It's probably a regional thing. Pretty much everybody around here brands their cows and calves. What happens when a cow loses her ear tag(or someone cuts it out)? Zero way to identify. We always have a couple slick calves in the Fall though. Little 500 acre pasture close to home where we will turn out a few late calvers in the Spring. They calve out in the pasture and we brand the calves this time of year. Yesterday we sorted up a few yearlings and found 3 slicks. Took a minute to remember why they didn't have a brand.
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In this area, I can't recall ever seeing a branded cow. Really? Lots of stockmen around here brand. There are also a lot of guys out at night messing with their cows. Years ago a local prankster called my Uncle up about 2am and said his cows were all out. He and my other Uncle spent the rest of the night out looking for them. Turned out they were laying down in this pasture just out of eyesight. The guy who called knew that. Lots of reasons to be out herding cattle at 2am. Maybe I spent too much time in the milk barn? All my buddies that run momma cows back home and over here just ear tag. It's probably a regional thing. Pretty much everybody around here brands their cows and calves. What happens when a cow loses her ear tag(or someone cuts it out)? Zero way to identify. We always have a couple slick calves in the Fall though. Little 500 acre pasture close to home where we will turn out a few late calvers in the Spring. They calve out in the pasture and we brand the calves this time of year. Yesterday we sorted up a few yearlings and found 3 slicks. Took a minute to remember why they didn't have a brand. i do believe Montana law says you have to brand doesnt it?
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Part of the problem is that county sheriffs are less than enthuzed with being hard asses for the most part and won't enforce trespassing laws. This leads to situations where you get a high influx of white trash poaching and being on your land. Then they see the cows in the field, hay in the barn, and the ATV in the shed and start to covet what they don't own. We have deer camera pictures of Billy Bob running his hogdogs on camera in the middle of our place and the old sheriffs office is nonresponsive. They basically don't want to get into the middle of what is basically real class warfare: rich gentlemen farmers verses white trash subsistence hunters who think that the hunting methods used in 1930 are still acceptable. I can empathize with you. I assure you, there are things you could do to make your hunting friends not want to be on your property. Sad to say, but if they lost dogs whenever they came on your property, I'm guessing they wouldn't be wanting to come on your property a whole lot longer.
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Part of the problem is that county sheriffs are less than enthuzed with being hard asses for the most part and won't enforce trespassing laws. This leads to situations where you get a high influx of white trash poaching and being on your land. Then they see the cows in the field, hay in the barn, and the ATV in the shed and start to covet what they don't own. We have deer camera pictures of Billy Bob running his hogdogs on camera in the middle of our place and the old sheriffs office is nonresponsive. They basically don't want to get into the middle of what is basically real class warfare: rich gentlemen farmers verses white trash subsistence hunters who think that the hunting methods used in 1930 are still acceptable. I can empathize with you. I assure you, there are things you could do to make your hunting friends not want to be on your property. Sad to say, but if they lost dogs whenever they came on your property, I'm guessing they wouldn't be wanting to come on your property a whole lot longer. I wouldn't shoot a dog based on the owner's actions unless it was harming my livestock or something of that nature. But, I have taken care of a frequent trespass problem by catching one, and holding him at gunpoint until the sheriff's dept. arrived and he was taken to jail and booked for criminal trespass. When you have them on your posted private property when the deputy arrives, it is pretty hard for them NOT to take the guy to jail.... Further, once word of that got out, the trespassing problem dropped to zero.
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i do believe Montana law says you have to brand doesnt it?
No, you don't have to brand, but you do have to abide by brand laws, meaning you have to get an inspection to move cattle across county lines, sell etc. We have a couple registered brands. Up until the past few years, we would only brand the heifer calves we planned on keeping as replacements. Recently, we have been leasing a little more pasture further away from home so we are branding everything now.
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When I lived in eastern Montana rustling was a big problem.
There were a few guys that everyone knew was a thief but not much could be done until they were caught. This is big country, and as the story RE rustling in the ION area, these guys were born and raised there and knew the country really well.
Sheep thefts were the big issue then for a number of reasons. Paint brands were easy to clip out and groups of sheep could be easily handled by a guy with a dog or 2. A good dog can load a group of sheep in a trailer parked alongside a tight fence pretty easily.
Also similar to the Oregon rustling story, the history of that area was rife with stories of guys who got their stake stealing mostly horses. Cowboys used to ride north into Canada and gather horses, drive them south to Miles City and sell them. Then the enterprising buggers would steal horses from down in the Yellowstone Valley and drive them back up north to sell them there. Crossing through their home area, but like a coyote, didn't do much thieving in their own back yard.
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